RE: Nissan GT-R Black Edition

[Uncle John]

If I had the cash I'd have one in a flash.

In fact I'd have the previous GTR in a flash as well.

Superb cars IMO, just not as "organic" as a Porker, but then what is?

Great write up for a great car.

Nissan - I applaud you!

[tomvcarter]

M3 OR GTR? WHICH IS MORE FUN TO DRIVE?

[pSynrg]

I don't think I've ever wanted any other car as much...

[AlpineWhite]

Uncle John said:

If I had the cash I'd have one in a flash.

He's a poet, and he doesn't even noet.

[bashinski]

My first ever post guys...go easy.

Not a badge snob and have come through the Evo route to 996 turbo. The GTR sounds tremendous
but I am still toying with choosing a 997 turbo because, and I am guessing, real world performance
is just as earth shattering (even top racers struggle to get the GTR past the 997 turbo on a track)
and the Porsche looks just as awesome but less 'smack you in the mouth' boy racer ish.

What do you think guys? Beauty is all subjective, but I reckon also, a 3 year old 997 turbo will hold its value a bit better.

Additionally, I have a sensible plan to drop the 997/GTR route and comprise to a fast estate. Tried the latest RS4 and although its beautiful understated cracking car, for 30k plus it is bland compared to a 996 turbo. Does anyone know how the next thing down such as a 335D (around 20k) and a 535D (15-20k) would compare to the RS4? Much of a drop? Am I allowed to change threads?

[snorkel sucker]

the more i read about this car the more i would love to have a go in one. maybe one day in 10 years time, they may have depreciated enough for me to actually afford one!

[Dagnut]

bashinski said:

My first ever post guys...go easy.

Not a badge snob and have come through the Evo route to 996 turbo. The GTR sounds tremendous
but I am still toying with choosing a 997 turbo because, and I am guessing, real world performance
is just as earth shattering (even top racers struggle to get the GTR past the 997 turbo on a track)
and the Porsche looks just as awesome but less 'smack you in the mouth' boy racer ish.

What do you think guys? Beauty is all subjective, but I reckon also, a 3 year old 997 turbo will hold its value a bit better.

Additionally, I have a sensible plan to drop the 997/GTR route and comprise to a fast estate. Tried the latest RS4 and although its beautiful understated cracking car, for 30k plus it is bland compared to a 996 turbo. Does anyone know how the next thing down such as a 335D (around 20k) and a 535D (15-20k) would compare to the RS4? Much of a drop? Am I allowed to change threads?

You can buy a 997 turbo 3 years old for 60k now thats 38k lost in 3 years..a GTR will cost you new 59k I cant see you getting a GTR in 3 years time for 21k can you?

[R60EST]

I would only really accept the opinion of someone that has at least driven a GT-R , better still owned one. All the replies from people who base their opinion on a few magazine articles and the badge snobbery I just don't take any notice of. Residuals , as mentioned the R34 can still command around £30k , 10 yrs on from what was a £40k ? ( haven't researched just from memory) price tag . There are very few cars that can claim this , the new GT-R is a no brainer , it's such a shame I'm too conservative to get the cheque book out just yet

[Frik]

The value of GTRs over the next few years is going to be an interesting thing to watch I reckon.

Yes, they are a brilliant car by all accounts and that'll work in their favour. However, the R34 comparison isn't entirely fair as so few were officially imported. At the moment there's so few GTRs about but I suspect oversupply could hamper the prices in future.

Porsche Turbos have been in freefall recently but I'm sure they'll reach a sensible stabilisation point.

[j123]

An many Porsche's forums I've been on, and as well owners I've spoken with...if given a choice for only as a drivers car the 996 tt gets the nod over the 997 tt. Also evo and DR think so too. I think the "new" 4wd is not more complicated and less seamless than the simpler 996 system, and as well not as complex and able as the GT-R's. JL

[briancorish]

Dagnut said:

bashinski said:

My first ever post guys...go easy.

Not a badge snob and have come through the Evo route to 996 turbo. The GTR sounds tremendous
but I am still toying with choosing a 997 turbo because, and I am guessing, real world performance
is just as earth shattering (even top racers struggle to get the GTR past the 997 turbo on a track)
and the Porsche looks just as awesome but less 'smack you in the mouth' boy racer ish.

What do you think guys? Beauty is all subjective, but I reckon also, a 3 year old 997 turbo will hold its value a bit better.

Additionally, I have a sensible plan to drop the 997/GTR route and comprise to a fast estate. Tried the latest RS4 and although its beautiful understated cracking car, for 30k plus it is bland compared to a 996 turbo. Does anyone know how the next thing down such as a 335D (around 20k) and a 535D (15-20k) would compare to the RS4? Much of a drop? Am I allowed to change threads?

You can buy a 997 turbo 3 years old for 60k now thats 38k lost in 3 years..a GTR will cost you new 59k I cant see you getting a GTR in 3 years time for 21k can you?

Aren't imports knocking around the 45k mark already? Judging on past 911 turbo values, I reckon the 911 has the worst of its depreciation behind it now, tough call, but you could have worse decisions to make! I currently have a dms remapped 335d coupe loan from a friend of mine. It is a very fast car, not far off e46 M3 performance, and while my neighbours RS4 is quite a bit quicker, it doesn't completely embarass it. It still leaves me cold though for some reason.

[bromers2]

bromers2 said:

Kerry Katona's got one - sums it up for me.

Bit tongue in cheek - sorry.

Her fella's GTR is/was in for a new gearbox - apparently faulty switch, no spare parts available = new gearbox required. Import no warranty - £12k repair.

What's all the crap about no warranty for track work - how do they prove that ?

Have seen a few (3 or 4) on the roads now - sound awesome and real road presence.

[clintthrust]

kpkpkp said:

bromers2 said:

Kerry Katona's got one - sums it up for me.

She has two tits as well and if you had a twin brother your dad could claim the same.

Sums it up for me and everyone else with a brain.

Yeah mate!!

[rhinochopig]

A question for those that actually have one. Do they work at normal road speeds, or do they suffer the same issues that Fast Scoobys and Evos do, which is one of only really coming alive at licence losing speeds?

[bashinski]

rhinochopig said:

A question for those that actually have one. Do they work at normal road speeds, or do they suffer the same issues that Fast Scoobys and Evos do, which is one of only really coming alive at licence losing speeds?

Owned most the EVOs and would say the opposite. They are the ultimate 'beat a superbike round country lanes' car....obviously keeping it below 60 ish

[rhinochopig]

bashinski said:

rhinochopig said:

A question for those that actually have one. Do they work at normal road speeds, or do they suffer the same issues that Fast Scoobys and Evos do, which is one of only really coming alive at licence losing speeds?

Owned most the EVOs and would say the opposite. They are the ultimate 'beat a superbike round country lanes' car....obviously keeping it below 60 ish

Interesting, I found the opposite when I drove one - albeit an early model. I found that I had to be going very fast for it to feel 'special'. Sane cornering speeds, just felt boring - the scooby being worse in this respect.

[bashinski]

briancorish said:

Dagnut said:

bashinski said:

My first ever post guys...go easy.

Not a badge snob and have come through the Evo route to 996 turbo. The GTR sounds tremendous
but I am still toying with choosing a 997 turbo because, and I am guessing, real world performance
is just as earth shattering (even top racers struggle to get the GTR past the 997 turbo on a track)
and the Porsche looks just as awesome but less 'smack you in the mouth' boy racer ish.

What do you think guys? Beauty is all subjective, but I reckon also, a 3 year old 997 turbo will hold its value a bit better.

Additionally, I have a sensible plan to drop the 997/GTR route and comprise to a fast estate. Tried the latest RS4 and although its beautiful understated cracking car, for 30k plus it is bland compared to a 996 turbo. Does anyone know how the next thing down such as a 335D (around 20k) and a 535D (15-20k) would compare to the RS4? Much of a drop? Am I allowed to change threads?

You can buy a 997 turbo 3 years old for 60k now thats 38k lost in 3 years..a GTR will cost you new 59k I cant see you getting a GTR in 3 years time for 21k can you?

Aren't imports knocking around the 45k mark already? Judging on past 911 turbo values, I reckon the 911 has the worst of its depreciation behind it now, tough call, but you could have worse decisions to make! I currently have a dms remapped 335d coupe loan from a friend of mine. It is a very fast car, not far off e46 M3 performance, and while my neighbours RS4 is quite a bit quicker, it doesn't completely embarass it. It still leaves me cold though for some reason.

Thanks Brian, you have said enough for me to believe I should compromise to a very sensible older 330D remapped to take big miles and decent mpg.
The 335D and even the RS4 (beautiful but you have to thrash it to make it work) are cracking cars for 20-30k but that takes you into 996 turbo territory which in my limited experience is the real thing. I certainly cant afford both.
I was amazed to hear from one of the guys that in some circles the 996T is rated as highly as the 997T. Thats good enough for me. Cheers Guys.

I have a mate whos ordered the UK GTR due for delivery September. He may get sick and swap for the 996T after a few months....how much for, if at all, is the acid question!

[clintthrust]

rhinochopig said:

A question for those that actually have one. Do they work at normal road speeds, or do they suffer the same issues that Fast Scoobys and Evos do, which is one of only really coming alive at licence losing speeds?

At normal road speeds it is docile and comfortable.

[Godzilla]

I've done 2,200 miles in my own one, a couple of hundred of which were around the Nordschleife last weekend and already taken it to Bedford Autodrome.

I have also recently driven an 850hp one all the way across America in the Gumball 3000.

It is an absolutely astonishing car. The one word that sums it up for me is "futuristic", as in the 1960s optimistic "technology will make the world a better place" futuristic. This is the car Captain Scarlet would drive on his days off from thrashing his SPV.

The fun comes in appreciating the incredible technology at your disposal; as many have said, it is like a junior Veyron. Unnatural speed harnessed to feel entirely controllable (especially the 850hp one which was holding its own against two Veyrons on the Gumball!).

So, it has a slightly more cerebral fun factor than my raw and animalistic Z06, but just as vivid nonetheless.

You can read about my car in Evo's Fast Fleet and more detailed ramblings on www.auto-journals.com .

[Dagnut]

Godzilla said:

I've done 2,200 miles in my own one, a couple of hundred of which were around the Nordschleife last weekend and already taken it to Bedford Autodrome.

I have also recently driven an 850hp one all the way across America in the Gumball 3000.

It is an absolutely astonishing car. The one word that sums it up for me is "futuristic", as in the 1960s optimistic "technology will make the world a better place" futuristic. This is the car Captain Scarlet would drive on his days off from thrashing his SPV.

The fun comes in appreciating the incredible technology at your disposal; as many have said, it is like a junior Veyron. Unnatural speed harnessed to feel entirely controllable (especially the 850hp one which was holding its own against two Veyrons on the Gumball!).

So, it has a slightly more cerebral fun factor than my raw and animalistic Z06, but just as vivid nonetheless.

You can read about my car in Evo's Fast Fleet and more detailed ramblings on www.auto-journals.com .

Glad to see somebody not afraid to embrace technology.