RE: Audi TT RSI
Discussion
If it's a transverse engine then it's probably using the crappy VW Haldex AWD system rather than the proper quattro AWD system, which is probably why it understeers and doesn't feel that special to drive (then again Audi do like to make understeering cars). If they couldn't do it properly they should have just dumped the AWD system and left it front wheel drive to save weight, just as Ford did with the Focus RS, which incidently is a proper enthusiast car with a 5 cylinder turbo and a rally hertiage that makes Audis tenuous marketing links back to it's brief flirtation with rallying in the early 80s look like the joke it is.
In reality Audi should use it's diesel lemans cars in advertising as they are the more apt analogy to it's current range of RS cars, fast, successful but ultimately a bit boring and lacking in that crucial element of passion that excites petrolheads everywhere.
If Audi wanted that passion back, they could always join the WRC, I know they claim rallying is beneath them now, but they sure as hell dont seem to mind using those images in advertising as often as possible and it's not like anyone would give a crap (or even notice) if VAG gave the diesel lemans plodders to Skoda while allowing Audi reskinned the SKoda WRC to look like a TT or S3.
In reality Audi should use it's diesel lemans cars in advertising as they are the more apt analogy to it's current range of RS cars, fast, successful but ultimately a bit boring and lacking in that crucial element of passion that excites petrolheads everywhere.
If Audi wanted that passion back, they could always join the WRC, I know they claim rallying is beneath them now, but they sure as hell dont seem to mind using those images in advertising as often as possible and it's not like anyone would give a crap (or even notice) if VAG gave the diesel lemans plodders to Skoda while allowing Audi reskinned the SKoda WRC to look like a TT or S3.
Bit frustrating this articel. Nicely written but I want to know how it handles at speed, on the limit and beyond. Otherwise you may as well stick to writing about the Toyota Yaris.
You can't be a PH journo and be worried about writing a car off in case they don't ask you back. That's like saying to your boss, look I'm not going to try and be good at this in case I get it wrong and you sack me.
You can't be a PH journo and be worried about writing a car off in case they don't ask you back. That's like saying to your boss, look I'm not going to try and be good at this in case I get it wrong and you sack me.
Mike760T said:
It really annoys me a lot of the articles on this site... They are all clearly written by complete car geeks... with no self respect. 88mm between cylinders? Just because this is a web based publication doesn't mean you don't need sub-editors. And yes, to ask if the TT RS has a 5 cylinder engine as a marketing ploy going back to the days of the original Quattro is a very stupid question, no wonder the Engineer laughed. The engine is clearly the 2.0TFSI engine found in the S3, with an extra cylinder added on. The fact the engine is 5 cylinders is about the only thing it does have in common with the original Quattro!
A sub-editor would remove the 88mm piece ? eh?"Clearly the engine is a 4 pot with a cylinder added on" - umm, OK.
I think it has several things in common with the original Quattro, including.. that it has 'true' Torsen (? I always get Haldex and Torsen confused) Quattro? That it's made by Quattro GMBH? That it's turbocharged? That it's available in Gene Hunt Red? That the seats are made by Recaro? Ronal alloys? 2 door?
SleeperCell said:
If it's a transverse engine then it's probably using the crappy VW Haldex AWD system rather than the proper quattro AWD system, which is probably why it understeers and doesn't feel that special to drive (then again Audi do like to make understeering cars). If they couldn't do it properly they should have just dumped the AWD system and left it front wheel drive to save weight, just as Ford did with the Focus RS, which incidently is a proper enthusiast car with a 5 cylinder turbo and a rally hertiage that makes Audis tenuous marketing links back to it's brief flirtation with rallying in the early 80s look like the joke it is.
In reality Audi should use it's diesel lemans cars in advertising as they are the more apt analogy to it's current range of RS cars, fast, successful but ultimately a bit boring and lacking in that crucial element of passion that excites petrolheads everywhere.
If Audi wanted that passion back, they could always join the WRC, I know they claim rallying is beneath them now, but they sure as hell dont seem to mind using those images in advertising as often as possible and it's not like anyone would give a crap (or even notice) if VAG gave the diesel lemans plodders to Skoda while allowing Audi reskinned the SKoda WRC to look like a TT or S3.
Hehe, either you're a very angry man or you're trying to troll..In reality Audi should use it's diesel lemans cars in advertising as they are the more apt analogy to it's current range of RS cars, fast, successful but ultimately a bit boring and lacking in that crucial element of passion that excites petrolheads everywhere.
If Audi wanted that passion back, they could always join the WRC, I know they claim rallying is beneath them now, but they sure as hell dont seem to mind using those images in advertising as often as possible and it's not like anyone would give a crap (or even notice) if VAG gave the diesel lemans plodders to Skoda while allowing Audi reskinned the SKoda WRC to look like a TT or S3.
Yes, Audi had a brief flirtation with rallying - that completely and utterly changed the sport (and performance cars) forever.
S1MMA said:
If you want ultimate handling in a mid sized coupe in this price range, Cayman S is the way to go. TT RS will satisfy the straight line hero's better though, especially when tuned in the years to come. 500bhp TT would be comedy!
If the reviews are to be believed, the Cayman has lost its crown to the Lotus Evora. Niffty951 said:
Of that whole article I was most dissapointed though to read that its already running 1.2bar boost. Usually thats the level you might re-map a car to in order to extract another 30-50hp and a bit more of a lively delivery.. but if the audi's already there and yet it doesn't feel satisfying at this level then I wouldn't dare turn the dial any higher to improve things. 
It all depends on what turbo it is running though. If they are running it at 1.2bar from the factory, chances are, it can take a bit more. Despite what some people think, many turbos can run much more boost safely.Edited by Niffty951 on Thursday 28th May 19:52
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custardtart said:
Bit frustrating this articel. Nicely written but I want to know how it handles at speed, on the limit and beyond. Otherwise you may as well stick to writing about the Toyota Yaris.
You can't be a PH journo and be worried about writing a car off in case they don't ask you back. That's like saying to your boss, look I'm not going to try and be good at this in case I get it wrong and you sack me.
It understeers at the limit of adhesion and beyond. As for writing the car off, it wasn't really a consideration as there's not much scenery in range when you're travelling at road car speeds around Zolder. You can't be a PH journo and be worried about writing a car off in case they don't ask you back. That's like saying to your boss, look I'm not going to try and be good at this in case I get it wrong and you sack me.
Neil_H said:
I like it a lot, but £43k for a TT is pushing the bounds of reality a bit.
In that case it should depreciate quickly and be interesting 2nd hand. 
I find it amusing that on PH there are still people that think a new RS car from Audi is a bad thing
Even if you don't like the TT, surely in these increasingly legislated times any manufacturer prepared to produce performance versions of their vanilla cars should be applauded. Keep the market interesting and encourage competitors to have a go too. 
I saw and heard these testing at the 'Ring back in october. They sound phenominal.
Virtually all cars are set up to understeer, it's the safest way to protect WAGs from throwing it ar*e first into a hedge. Shouldn't happen, we all know, but someone would have been made to dial it in for safetly reasons.
We all as petrolheads want 100% balls out, so power and 'feel' are of utmost importantce. But the fact of the matter is only a third of these will be sold to someone who knows how to use it, the rest will be flash numpties who need a predictable car. Audi has to take this into account, surely?
Virtually nothing is 'out of the box' perfect anymore - that's why the mod market is so busy. In terms of this, nowt a tweak of an ARB, competition spec Haldex controller and a remap won't sort out.
Still, I'd be in a Cayman S for that money m'sen.
Virtually all cars are set up to understeer, it's the safest way to protect WAGs from throwing it ar*e first into a hedge. Shouldn't happen, we all know, but someone would have been made to dial it in for safetly reasons.
We all as petrolheads want 100% balls out, so power and 'feel' are of utmost importantce. But the fact of the matter is only a third of these will be sold to someone who knows how to use it, the rest will be flash numpties who need a predictable car. Audi has to take this into account, surely?
Virtually nothing is 'out of the box' perfect anymore - that's why the mod market is so busy. In terms of this, nowt a tweak of an ARB, competition spec Haldex controller and a remap won't sort out.
Still, I'd be in a Cayman S for that money m'sen.
Edited by Mike Roberts on Friday 29th May 10:28
I feel sorry for the people who have just forked out for the TTS, and will now be wanting one of these. £43k, I like it, but can't ignore what that money gets you second hand. Maserati Gransport springs to mind. In some ways I expected the RS version to be a bit more extreme. I wonder what the tuning companies can do with it?
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