RE: Audi TT RSI
Discussion
kambites said:
S1MMA said:
If you want ultimate handling in a mid sized coupe in this price range, Cayman S is the way to go. TT RS will satisfy the straight line hero's better though, especially when tuned in the years to come. 500bhp TT would be comedy!
If the reviews are to be believed, the Cayman has lost its crown to the Lotus Evora. True, it doesn't have the perceived build quality of the Porsche (actually build quality, we'll have to wait and see how well they wear I suppose). However, it seems pretty much universally accepted that it's a better drivers' car, which is what we were talking about.
Neither the Cayman nor the Evora is anywhere near as practicable as the TT though. I can see why someone would buy the TT, but I wouldn't buy one myself.
Neither the Cayman nor the Evora is anywhere near as practicable as the TT though. I can see why someone would buy the TT, but I wouldn't buy one myself.
Edited by kambites on Friday 29th May 11:01
kambites said:
I've read about eight reviews of it now, albeit mostly from British publications, and only top-gear seem to be disappointed with it.
Really haven't seen the top gears bit on it, not to keen on TG the mag I think its a bit max power-ish of late. Still surprise it wouldnt get a glowing report every thing I've read as well have given it a glowing report.My boss has got his name down for one so might get a chance to get my own opinion on it.
Great noise (strangly reminiscent of my old Bravo HGT), not keen on TT's though, I think they lack a certain 'rawness' which is probably exactly why other people buy them I suppose; each to their own...
Looking forward hearing a few out and about though if it was parked up I would walk right on by.
Looking forward hearing a few out and about though if it was parked up I would walk right on by.
PH said:
‘Do you see any marketing men here?’ he demanded. ‘No you don’t, because at quattro we are all engineers, and what you have come here to see is not marketing, but an engineering project, one hundred percent.’
I'm not expecting much sympathy for this point of view, by why the f**k do the automotive media always have to pretend that every car manufacturer has 'marketing men' intent on ruining every car? 
Meantime, engineers are always painted as whiter-than-white enthusiasts, fighting the good fight against the evil marketeers, just trying to make the best possible car.
Its just a lazy cliche that journos roll-out time and time again to create some sort of false debate about the spec of a car.
Believe it or not, sometimes marketing people make sure that you, Mr. Pistonheader, get an awesome car that you want for the price you want....rather than a car with a useless widget that a man with a beard says you must have because he's spent thousands of hours thanklessly locked in a room designing it!
its not always so...but often.
darth_pies said:
PH said:
‘Do you see any marketing men here?’ he demanded. ‘No you don’t, because at quattro we are all engineers, and what you have come here to see is not marketing, but an engineering project, one hundred percent.’
I'm not expecting much sympathy for this point of view, by why the f**k do the automotive media always have to pretend that every car manufacturer has 'marketing men' intent on ruining every car? Meantime, engineers are always painted as whiter-than-white enthusiasts, fighting the good fight against the evil marketeers, just trying to make the best possible car.
Its just a lazy cliche that journos roll-out time and time again to create some sort of false debate about the spec of a car.
Believe it or not, sometimes marketing people make sure that you, Mr. Pistonheader, get an awesome car that you want for the price you want....rather than a car with a useless widget that a man with a beard says you must have because he's spent thousands of hours thanklessly locked in a room designing it!
its not always so...but often.
posterboy said:
jackmontandon said:
MICK E90 M3 said:
Going to the hairdressers sir?
ooh very Original ......comedian in the house
can tell your an m3 driver
looks good, could have done with a bit more power to deserve that rs badge, but still looks quick enough
Edited by jackmontandon on Thursday 28th May 19:43
The orginal RS4 was 380Bhp...
Seriously, my hairdresser has the old TT 3.2 DSG, sounds good though.
Edited by fastgerman.com on Friday 29th May 12:40
darth_pies said:
PH said:
‘Do you see any marketing men here?’ he demanded. ‘No you don’t, because at quattro we are all engineers, and what you have come here to see is not marketing, but an engineering project, one hundred percent.’
I'm not expecting much sympathy for this point of view, by why the f**k do the automotive media always have to pretend that every car manufacturer has 'marketing men' intent on ruining every car? Meantime, engineers are always painted as whiter-than-white enthusiasts, fighting the good fight against the evil marketeers, just trying to make the best possible car.
Its just a lazy cliche that journos roll-out time and time again to create some sort of false debate about the spec of a car.
Believe it or not, sometimes marketing people make sure that you, Mr. Pistonheader, get an awesome car that you want for the price you want....rather than a car with a useless widget that a man with a beard says you must have because he's spent thousands of hours thanklessly locked in a room designing it!
its not always so...but often.
The fact is that within a modern car manufacturer the relationship is just a tiny bit more complicated than an engineer saying "we could make it do 260mph, plus turn off all of the warning beeps when you reverse", and the evil marketing department insisting on a speed limiter and beeps because the safety message is 'on-brand'
OK, maybe sometimes.... haha
Thanks to Chris-R for following this thread and adding extra responses.. as the only one here who's actually driven the car its very useful.
On a different point something being missed about the 5 cyl unit is that it could have been brought back for technical reasons rather than for the sound or heritage. I've always been a strong believer in the seemingly odd 5 cyl layout as I've driven a lot of 5 and 6 cylinder engines and the 5 cyl cars always seem to out perform the 6 cylinders both in real world performance and real world fuel economy. Something to do with the natural torque curve.
The best way I can think to show people is to use the Audi A6 diesel engines. Drive the 155bhp 2.5 5cyl then hop straight into the 170bhp 2.5 V6 you will notice immediately the drop in ability when overtaking and changing lane on the motorway even though the V6 on paper seems superior. ..its also less fuel efficient.
On a different point something being missed about the 5 cyl unit is that it could have been brought back for technical reasons rather than for the sound or heritage. I've always been a strong believer in the seemingly odd 5 cyl layout as I've driven a lot of 5 and 6 cylinder engines and the 5 cyl cars always seem to out perform the 6 cylinders both in real world performance and real world fuel economy. Something to do with the natural torque curve.
The best way I can think to show people is to use the Audi A6 diesel engines. Drive the 155bhp 2.5 5cyl then hop straight into the 170bhp 2.5 V6 you will notice immediately the drop in ability when overtaking and changing lane on the motorway even though the V6 on paper seems superior. ..its also less fuel efficient.
fastgerman.com said:
Niffty951 said:
Thanks to Chris-R for following this thread and adding extra responses.. as the only one here who's actually driven the car its very useful.
On a different point something being missed about the 5 cyl unit is that it could have been brought back for technical reasons rather than for the sound or heritage. I've always been a strong believer in the seemingly odd 5 cyl layout as I've driven a lot of 5 and 6 cylinder engines and the 5 cyl cars always seem to out perform the 6 cylinders both in real world performance and real world fuel economy. Something to do with the natural torque curve.
The best way I can think to show people is to use the Audi A6 diesel engines. Drive the 155bhp 2.5 5cyl then hop straight into the 170bhp 2.5 V6 you will notice immediately the drop in ability when overtaking and changing lane on the motorway even though the V6 on paper seems superior. ..its also less fuel efficient.
The diesel will be turbo'd and have a lot more torque, hence it 'feels' faster and will be for in gear excelleration from say 50 - 70 mph. The V6 will be n/a and will be quicker from 0-60 but you'll find turbo diesels nearly always give you more of a shove in the back when you accelerate, however only for about 2000 rpm. Another example are all these 335d (mapped) comments. It may feel quick but the 335i (mapped) will kick it around a track and from 0 - 100 mph.On a different point something being missed about the 5 cyl unit is that it could have been brought back for technical reasons rather than for the sound or heritage. I've always been a strong believer in the seemingly odd 5 cyl layout as I've driven a lot of 5 and 6 cylinder engines and the 5 cyl cars always seem to out perform the 6 cylinders both in real world performance and real world fuel economy. Something to do with the natural torque curve.
The best way I can think to show people is to use the Audi A6 diesel engines. Drive the 155bhp 2.5 5cyl then hop straight into the 170bhp 2.5 V6 you will notice immediately the drop in ability when overtaking and changing lane on the motorway even though the V6 on paper seems superior. ..its also less fuel efficient.
EDIT - just read they're both diesel - no idea then.
Edited by fastgerman.com on Friday 29th May 15:04
Still rather the petrol unit though.
PunterCam said:
Why isn't it completely stripped out? Lose 200kgs at least and it might be serious - and why bother with the 5 cylinder? Yeah it'll sound nice, but save the money redesigning it and bump up the regular 2L 4cylinder power. Spend the saved money on getting rid of that weight. And rwd. And mid engined.
Ah f
k it, a used R8's about 45k now anyways... I'll have that!
Audi dont do lightweight stripped out cars do they? I cant remember any if they have anyway.Ah f
k it, a used R8's about 45k now anyways... I'll have that!It wouldn't be an Audi if it had a tinny crappy interior. Give me a beautifully built interior, rear biased 4WD & 5/8/10 cylinder engine any day! To me thats what an RS Audi should be, not some lightweight track day special.
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