RE: Audi TT RSI
Discussion
kambites said:
I'm pretty sure that the mk4 and mk5 Golf R32s are VR6 engines?
ETA: From what I can make out from the internet, the TT V6 is a VR6 too. So is this a true I5 or a VR5?
[geek]The 3.2 "V6" is a development of the 2.8/2.9 VR6 from the Mk3 chassis (Golf/Corrado). The older VW "V5" models were also a development of this engine (ie VR5).ETA: From what I can make out from the internet, the TT V6 is a VR6 too. So is this a true I5 or a VR5?
Edited by kambites on Friday 29th May 18:06
I believe the I5 in the TT RS is a development of the US-model 2.5l I5 in the Jetta from '05(?), therefore not VR at all.
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Vidal Baboon said:
Lovely looking car.
But one thing that bothers me is the weight of the engine!
183kgs- for the engine alone
That can't be right- surely- whats it made from? Granite?
I seem to remember the Essex V6 being about 430lbs which is 195kg's in new money? The quoted weight for the Audi is probably an as installed weight with all the extra ancillaries, emissions tat and general added kerfuffle that are fitted to modern cars, which is why manufacturers have to use more exotic materials in the block and head etc to offset the added weight of all the other crap being added to the engine.But one thing that bothers me is the weight of the engine!
183kgs- for the engine alone
That can't be right- surely- whats it made from? Granite?
Article said:
The TT RS’s new 2.5-litre engine started life in the less than glamorous surroundings of the US-market VW Jetta’s engine bay, but has undergone a thorough re-work at the hands of quattro GmbH. Boasting an output of 340bhp – or 137bhp/litre – the engine is remarkably compact, with a gap between the cylinders of just 8mm helping to keep overall length to 494mm. Bore and stroke are 82.5mm x 92.8mm and the firing order is set at 1-2-4-5-3, alternating between adjacent cylinders and those further apart, which Audi says is responsible for engine’s distinctive rhythm and sound.
RS badge adorns black diamond grilleThe engine weighs just 183kgs, and its features include a lightweight vermicular graphite cast iron crankcase, cast aluminium pistons and forged connecting rods.
Thats heavier than the Essex in my Scimitar!RS badge adorns black diamond grilleThe engine weighs just 183kgs, and its features include a lightweight vermicular graphite cast iron crankcase, cast aluminium pistons and forged connecting rods.
Being transverse, that 183kg's may even include the transmission as a installed drivetrain unit weight...?
Edited by aeropilot on Monday 1st June 08:10
BSC said:
Does anybody on here believe the Lotus' claim that the Evora's chassis is almost three times as stiff as the chassis of the Elise?
Don't forget it's also nearly twice as heavy as an early Elise, so it needs to be twice as stiff to provide the same resistance to flex when it's being driven. The Elise is not actually a very stiff car at all (although it's not bad for a soft-top), it just gets away with it because it's so light. Edited by kambites on Monday 1st June 08:12
aeropilot said:
Vidal Baboon said:
Lovely looking car.
But one thing that bothers me is the weight of the engine!
183kgs- for the engine alone
That can't be right- surely- whats it made from? Granite?
I seem to remember the Essex V6 being about 430lbs which is 195kg's in new money? The quoted weight for the Audi is probably an as installed weight with all the extra ancillaries, emissions tat and general added kerfuffle that are fitted to modern cars, which is why manufacturers have to use more exotic materials in the block and head etc to offset the added weight of all the other crap being added to the engine.But one thing that bothers me is the weight of the engine!
183kgs- for the engine alone
That can't be right- surely- whats it made from? Granite?
Article said:
The TT RS’s new 2.5-litre engine started life in the less than glamorous surroundings of the US-market VW Jetta’s engine bay, but has undergone a thorough re-work at the hands of quattro GmbH. Boasting an output of 340bhp – or 137bhp/litre – the engine is remarkably compact, with a gap between the cylinders of just 8mm helping to keep overall length to 494mm. Bore and stroke are 82.5mm x 92.8mm and the firing order is set at 1-2-4-5-3, alternating between adjacent cylinders and those further apart, which Audi says is responsible for engine’s distinctive rhythm and sound.
RS badge adorns black diamond grilleThe engine weighs just 183kgs, and its features include a lightweight vermicular graphite cast iron crankcase, cast aluminium pistons and forged connecting rods.
Thats heavier than the Essex in my Scimitar!RS badge adorns black diamond grilleThe engine weighs just 183kgs, and its features include a lightweight vermicular graphite cast iron crankcase, cast aluminium pistons and forged connecting rods.
Being transverse, that 183kg's may even include the transmission as a installed drivetrain unit weight...?
Edited by aeropilot on Monday 1st June 08:10
http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/library/txt/engfyi.ht...
Weighing that much, i'd certainly hope so!
rsstman said:
i love the sound of a 5cylinder engine but then maybe i am biassed, but £45k for an audi TT? are they mental? £35k still sounds very pricey but almost realistic, £45k is living in the clouds. i`d much rather a focus RS and £20k in my pocket.
I'm sure someone can correct me if not, but your straight 5 block can be traced back through Volvo to Audi's original 10v?Gridl0k said:
rsstman said:
i love the sound of a 5cylinder engine but then maybe i am biassed, but £45k for an audi TT? are they mental? £35k still sounds very pricey but almost realistic, £45k is living in the clouds. i`d much rather a focus RS and £20k in my pocket.
I'm sure someone can correct me if not, but your straight 5 block can be traced back through Volvo to Audi's original 10v?anyway what exactly are you getting at? are you ATTEMPTING to put down my car for some reason? or are you trying to justify the £45k price tag by saying it is because it has a new engine?
rsstman said:
Gridl0k said:
rsstman said:
i love the sound of a 5cylinder engine but then maybe i am biassed, but £45k for an audi TT? are they mental? £35k still sounds very pricey but almost realistic, £45k is living in the clouds. i`d much rather a focus RS and £20k in my pocket.
I'm sure someone can correct me if not, but your straight 5 block can be traced back through Volvo to Audi's original 10v?anyway what exactly are you getting at? are you ATTEMPTING to put down my car for some reason? or are you trying to justify the £45k price tag by saying it is because it has a new engine?
Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
Gridl0k said:
Woah, defensive much?
Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i am also not sure if it is true (nor do i care) Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i was just saying i like the sound of a 5cylinder lump.
so what on earth are you talking about? (talking random facts that you dont know are true or not, so why say anything?) and how is it relevant to anything i said?
I see the usual "german car" knockers are out in force again. I think its a great car like all fast Audis awesome machines.Nice to think al least one maufactuer is going againest the "bulls
t global warming brigade" and still has the balls (and the market) to keep producing performance cars!!!
t global warming brigade" and still has the balls (and the market) to keep producing performance cars!!!rsstman said:
Gridl0k said:
Woah, defensive much?
Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i am also not sure if it is true (nor do i care) Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i was just saying i like the sound of a 5cylinder lump.
so what on earth are you talking about? (talking random facts that you dont know are true or not, so why say anything?) and how is it relevant to anything i said?
Gridl0k said:
rsstman said:
Gridl0k said:
Woah, defensive much?
Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i am also not sure if it is true (nor do i care) Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i was just saying i like the sound of a 5cylinder lump.
so what on earth are you talking about? (talking random facts that you dont know are true or not, so why say anything?) and how is it relevant to anything i said?
its a bit like saying "i heard your car is derived from a boat".
no need, no thought process and non-factual (possibly) statement, so why even bother?
Nice to see we have gone nicely off topic. ladies, you are meant to dance round your handbags, not fight with them.
I think this looks fantastic. Obviously it is priced competitively against the Cayman, but you get much more for your money.
The only concern is that it doesnt have the flappy paddle gearbox. The thought that it can't contain that amount of power just seems wrong. also, why are the magnetic dampers an option?, surely they should be standard as theya re on the TTS.
Also, with only a couple of hundred of each model a year i doubt if i'll get a decent discount, but will be asking. I'd be amazed if it comes anywhere close to 30mpg though. I dont reach 20 with the TTS!
I think this looks fantastic. Obviously it is priced competitively against the Cayman, but you get much more for your money.
The only concern is that it doesnt have the flappy paddle gearbox. The thought that it can't contain that amount of power just seems wrong. also, why are the magnetic dampers an option?, surely they should be standard as theya re on the TTS.
Also, with only a couple of hundred of each model a year i doubt if i'll get a decent discount, but will be asking. I'd be amazed if it comes anywhere close to 30mpg though. I dont reach 20 with the TTS!
rsstman said:
Gridl0k said:
rsstman said:
Gridl0k said:
Woah, defensive much?
Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i am also not sure if it is true (nor do i care) Just some trivia (that I'm not sure is true, so wondered about) is all.
i was just saying i like the sound of a 5cylinder lump.
so what on earth are you talking about? (talking random facts that you dont know are true or not, so why say anything?) and how is it relevant to anything i said?
its a bit like saying "i heard your car is derived from a boat".
no need, no thought process and non-factual (possibly) statement, so why even bother?
I brought up the fact that I think the 5 pot in your car is derived from the original Audi lump (as a question more than anything) and you launch into 2 or 3 posts of... what exactly? Do you get into a lot of fights? Maybe in the bank, the nice lady asks if she can help you and you lamp her one for daring to address you?
Jeez.
Gridl0k said:
I brought up the fact that I think the 5 pot in your car is derived from the original Audi lump (as a question more than anything) and you launch into 2 or 3 posts of... what exactly? Do you get into a lot of fights? Maybe in the bank, the nice lady asks if she can help you and you lamp her one for daring to address you?
Jeez.
i launhced into 2 or 3 posts of trying to find out what exactly you were getting at but you didnt manage to explain anything or answer me at all. now you say you were asking a completely off topic question for no reason.Jeez.
perhaps you should just keep your obviously mentally challenged and retarded mouth shut then as you had nothing to say. or did you not expect me to post anything back? going on 30? more like 13!
Edited by rsstman on Tuesday 2nd June 19:35
Gridl0k said:
I think it has several things in common with the original Quattro, including.. that it has 'true' Torsen (? I always get Haldex and Torsen confused) Quattro? That it's made by Quattro GMBH? That it's turbocharged? That it's available in Gene Hunt Red? That the seats are made by Recaro? Ronal alloys? 2 door?
Quattro uses torque sensing centre differential and is usually capable of multi-mode operation so a selectable FWD/RWD or 4WD modes. it does have a true 4WD mode.Haldex which is is used in all the 4WD tranverse engined VW Group cars is predominantly FWD moving power to the rear wheels as the front wheels lose traction as described in the article. But according to some sources it does not have a centre differential just a clutch system
Edited by annodomini2 on Wednesday 3rd June 13:36
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