RE: 4x4 Mini With VTEC Power

[mdm123]

Xerces said:

I like it, but..

Whats the point in getting an engine from one car and linking it up to a gearbox from another car, hardly seems the easiest option. Then i hardly expect that a CRV drivetrain from a heavy offroader would be best suited to a lightweight track car.

Surely an Impreza would be a better place to start? Plus the option of even crazier power!

the engine fits the box with no mods, plus it is far lighter than an imperza box given that its just a fwd box with a power take off thats comes off the front diff. also an imperza set up would never fit. the gearbox on a imperza sits mainly behind the bulkhead and the engine sits infront of the front axle.

plus the honda is a totaly superior engine by far.

[leon9191]

ScoobieWRX said:

Xerces said:

I like it, but..

Whats the point in getting an engine from one car and linking it up to a gearbox from another car, hardly seems the easiest option. Then i hardly expect that a CRV drivetrain from a heavy offroader would be best suited to a lightweight track car.

Surely an Impreza would be a better place to start? Plus the option of even crazier power!

That's exactly what i was thinking. 4x4 drivetrain well up to the job specially with a 6spd box and STi version 8 engine will give you 500bhp with some external mods and a remap. Mini body and chassis weighs bugger all so the engine won't be working very hard and the compact flat 4 would lend itself well to sitting in the mini engine bay, it's the right shape anyway. You'd be sitting further back but then that should help with weight distribution. I'd better start stripping my scoob.

Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 30th July 11:02

No way would it fit I've had both in my time and the scooby motor is bigger than the whole front end of a mini, you would have to space frame it and throw serious cash at it. The boxer engine is an Awkward shape thats why it hasnt found its way into many kit cars. And the V-tec motor is very light its in fact lighter than an A-series thats why it suits the mini so well.

[jammy_basturd]

There is someone on 16V Mini Club who is/was putting an Audi TT engine and running gear into a Mini. I say "into", more sticking the engine/running gear on to a Golf floor pan and then a Mini shell over the top. Been a long time since I checked on that topic though so I don't know if it's still WIP, finished or given up.

[jellison]

Definately on my list.

Been out round Goodwood in a slick rod Miglia, but with a 193 bhp Turbo Intercooled A Series Mental.

[Plotloss]

FOURRONE said:

k-ink said:

Shame the mini shell will be a rust bucket this time next year

I could be wrong but cant you get glass fibre mini shells ? if so would solve the problem

You can but their only use is not rotting, they're as heavy as a normal shell due to the bracing

[k-ink]

After all the heavy mods it should be stripped down and galvanized / dipped to avoid future rusting.

[jellison]

jammy_basturd said:

There is someone on 16V Mini Club who is/was putting an Audi TT engine and running gear into a Mini. I say "into", more sticking the engine/running gear on to a Golf floor pan and then a Mini shell over the top. Been a long time since I checked on that topic though so I don't know if it's still WIP, finished or given up.

That sounds wrong - i.e. next to no Mini in it!

[jellison]

You can get 170+ from a Vmax SCART conversion using I think MBE ECU and Bini Blower and other engine work (near me in East Mosley).

Or 160 - 200 from a true A-series bottom end (worked big time) and a KAD 16v top end. This way it is more a REAL Mini.

Not sure the RWD is required.

[jammy_basturd]

Oz (works at Moss Manchester) has used the first prototype of Moss' new supercharger kit for the Mini, with an all new supercharger designed specifically for the A series. He's got close to 200bhp I believe from a 1293, it's very impressive! If anyone wants to see his project thread let me know, I'm just wary of adding too many links to The Mini Forum and getting accused of advertising! lol

[BoRED S2upid]

Plotloss said:

FOURRONE said:

k-ink said:

Shame the mini shell will be a rust bucket this time next year

I could be wrong but cant you get glass fibre mini shells ? if so would solve the problem

You can but their only use is not rotting, they're as heavy as a normal shell due to the bracing

You can buy most panels in fibreglass and even carbonfibre nowadays if you have enough money to throw at a mini.

[GingerWizard]

BoRED S2upid said:

Plotloss said:

FOURRONE said:

k-ink said:

Shame the mini shell will be a rust bucket this time next year

I could be wrong but cant you get glass fibre mini shells ? if so would solve the problem

You can but their only use is not rotting, they're as heavy as a normal shell due to the bracing

You can buy most panels in fibreglass and even carbonfibre nowadays if you have enough money to throw at a mini.

see here.....

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1098426.htm

[chuntington101]

Totally bonkers and briliant at the same time! be intresting to see what the all up weight of the mini was though. 850kg wouldn't be to bad but 1000kg might be a little much. the scooby engine Mutaya would be a similar weight and power.

Still looks like a cheap conversion and deff beefy enough for the job! its going to take some boost or FI to get 400bhp out of the 1.6/1.8 lumps thouggh!!!!!

Chris.

PS. To scoobyWRX i dont think the scooby drive train would work to well. the front two cylinders of each bank would probably be sticking out the grill! lol

[ScoobieWRX]

chuntington101 said:

Totally bonkers and briliant at the same time! be intresting to see what the all up weight of the mini was though. 850kg wouldn't be to bad but 1000kg might be a little much. the scooby engine Mutaya would be a similar weight and power.

Still looks like a cheap conversion and deff beefy enough for the job! its going to take some boost or FI to get 400bhp out of the 1.6/1.8 lumps thouggh!!!!!

Chris.

PS. To scoobyWRX i dont think the scooby drive train would work to well. the front two cylinders of each bank would probably be sticking out the grill! lol

I've seen V8's shoehorned into minis so a flat 4 boxer won't be impossible to do. If you've ever seen a flat four on an engine stand you'll know just how compact they are and something tells me it will just fit but will be pretty tight. That's what customising is all about though, making things fit. Maybe the Murtaya is a better bet but IMHO would weight more than a mini although the longer chassis of the Murtaya would lend itself better for track work.

I would love to see a Scooby powered mini at Santa Pod. I bet it would be mighty quick!!

[jellison]

Don't get the scooby idea - harder to package that a straight 4 with some form of assistance.

A mini should have the engine up front, ideally have an A series derived bottom end but a Vtec is the best way to go if you want a similarly laid out engine.

Maybe a Tubo KAD 16v A Series might be best?

[jammy_basturd]

There are generally two ways of getting a V6 or a V8 into a Mini. You can either use the old small block Rover V8 and mate it to a Princess gearbox. With this configuration you can get the lump into a roundnose with minimal body mods, or you can just about squeeze it into a Clubman with no body mods.

The other way is just to cut away the bulkhead and exhaust tunnel and create new ones. Like this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa9jpDQns1M

I think the only way to get the Scooby unit into a Mini would be to take this second route. Generally the problem with the Mini is not getting the engine in, but it's finding room for the gearbox.

[jellison]

jammy_basturd said:

There are generally two ways of getting a V6 or a V8 into a Mini. You can either use the old small block Rover V8 and mate it to a Princess gearbox. With this configuration you can get the lump into a roundnose with minimal body mods, or you can just about squeeze it into a Clubman with no body mods.

Do you mine transversely?

A fave of mine is this

Don't know much about it, but not ab RV8 as SOHC's and very small, maybe a 1.5 60's F1 engine (but if so why on twin 2pot Holleys and not 4xtint webbers?

[chuntington101]

ScoobieWRX said:

chuntington101 said:

Totally bonkers and briliant at the same time! be intresting to see what the all up weight of the mini was though. 850kg wouldn't be to bad but 1000kg might be a little much. the scooby engine Mutaya would be a similar weight and power.

Still looks like a cheap conversion and deff beefy enough for the job! its going to take some boost or FI to get 400bhp out of the 1.6/1.8 lumps thouggh!!!!!

Chris.

PS. To scoobyWRX i dont think the scooby drive train would work to well. the front two cylinders of each bank would probably be sticking out the grill! lol

I've seen V8's shoehorned into minis so a flat 4 boxer won't be impossible to do. If you've ever seen a flat four on an engine stand you'll know just how compact they are and something tells me it will just fit but will be pretty tight. That's what customising is all about though, making things fit. Maybe the Murtaya is a better bet but IMHO would weight more than a mini although the longer chassis of the Murtaya would lend itself better for track work.

I would love to see a Scooby powered mini at Santa Pod. I bet it would be mighty quick!!

I agree wityh you mate! it would be tight and not just at the front but with the 'box to! would be a lovely swap though!

however i have seen a ford Fiesta with a Scooby flat 4 mouinted in the back (mid engines). looked to work great and might be another option?????

Cheers

Chris.

[k-ink]

GingerWizard said:

carbonfibre

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1098426.htm

I can't understand after all that money and effort they left external joins on the carbon wings. WTF!

[GingerWizard]

k-ink said:

GingerWizard said:

carbonfibre

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1098426.htm

I can't understand after all that money and effort they left external joins on the carbon wings. WTF!

tell me about it, thought that was very short sighted. deseaming is the first thing you do if your being serious which this chap is..... adds another 3-5mph top speed a full deseam, let alone buffetting!

[jammy_basturd]

Given the fact that the Mini is half spaceframe, with half the back end missing, deseaming might not be the best option given how much strength and rigidity the seams given the shell.