Could Ford make premium brand cars?
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Alfa_75_Steve said:
The point is that people who drive modestly priced Japanese hatchbacks rarely do many miles, and rarely at any speed, so suffer the fewest problems with their cars. The dealers treat them well, as they buy a new one every 3 years, even if they only did 5k miles in their last one. They also like to tell everyone how reliable their Nisondota is.
Whereas, people who buy other brands, are more likely to cover higher mileages, at higher speeds, be company car drivers, or buy on the used market and suffer more breakdowns. They're also the kind of people who would only mention the reliability of their car when it broke.
Strange how it's also the fleet magazine publications who put the Japanese on or close to the top every time. Whereas, people who buy other brands, are more likely to cover higher mileages, at higher speeds, be company car drivers, or buy on the used market and suffer more breakdowns. They're also the kind of people who would only mention the reliability of their car when it broke.
Must be hard tracking down all those old doris fleet drivers who do 5k a year.
Or you could be talking rubbish.
As an example...
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200611/1164...
Edited by 10 Pence Short on Thursday 6th August 08:46
ExPat2B said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
350GT said:
Alfa_75_Steve said:
Jaguar steve said:
Article in The Times 28 July. Which? surveyed over 84000 owners of 121 different cars and reported both the XF and S Type were in the bottom 10 for reliability. The top 10 were nearly all modestly priced Japanese cars.
Could be that the only dullards who answer Which? surveys are the kind of people who buy modestly priced Japanese hatchbacks and never exceed 40mph in them...The point is that people who drive modestly priced Japanese hatchbacks rarely do many miles, and rarely at any speed, so suffer the fewest problems with their cars. The dealers treat them well, as they buy a new one every 3 years, even if they only did 5k miles in their last one. They also like to tell everyone how reliable their Nisondota is.
Whereas, people who buy other brands, are more likely to cover higher mileages, at higher speeds, be company car drivers, or buy on the used market and suffer more breakdowns. They're also the kind of people who would only mention the reliability of their car when it broke.
Jap cars are reliable because :
1. They have a culture of respect for reliability.
2. They are built with world leading quality control
3. They invest in the best production facilities.
4. The workers are experienced, well trained and motivated.
You only have to live in the real world of cars for a short time to realise the truth of this. Things like the quality of the welds, the service histories that show nothing other than routine servicing, every single reliability survey they dominate the top 10.
To write off that excellent reputation as a blip caused by stodgy Which ? readers is the most laughable thing ever, especially from an Alfa owner.
. I've been an almost lifelong Jaguar fan and owned XJs for years. It grieves me to say this but compared to a Honda, quality wise they really are crap, so much so in fact that, despite looking at several of the aluminium bodied XJs as a possible replacement I'm begining to doubt if I'll ever buy another one. The fit and finish, number of rattles, tactile quality and consistency of panel gaps on my curent XJ is really no better than that on Mrs JS's Pug 206 and woefully inferior to my mate's 4 year old Civic.
If Honda can do quality for a starting price of around twelve grand, why can't Jaguar even get close let alone do the same for three or four times as much?
I used to like Fords especially the quickish ones,but in the 9yrs of my driving career i have been left stranded at the road side 4 times with 2 engine failures,gearbox failure and a less serious exhaust falling off.
They were Fords!
A focus,sierra cossie,fiesta-all were mint cars aswell so no excuses.The fact is Ford are Cheapskates!
They were Fords!
A focus,sierra cossie,fiesta-all were mint cars aswell so no excuses.The fact is Ford are Cheapskates!
CarbonM5 said:
I used to like Fords especially the quickish ones,but in the 9yrs of my driving career i have been left stranded at the road side 4 times with 2 engine failures,gearbox failure and a less serious exhaust falling off.
They were Fords!
A focus,sierra cossie,fiesta-all were mint cars aswell so no excuses.The fact is Ford are Cheapskates!
However, it's not hard to see plenty of premium cars stranded by the roadside either.They were Fords!
A focus,sierra cossie,fiesta-all were mint cars aswell so no excuses.The fact is Ford are Cheapskates!
My last car and current one have done ballpark similar mileages & the current one has done it a bit quicker (pro-rata).
One has had thousands of English pounds worth of warranty work done & other problems (not fixed as it would involve my pocket being emptied) and the other has had one slight issue that isn't any more than a mild irritant. One is expensive on consumables and one isn't.
One Ford, one Honda. Take your pick.
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