bugatti veyron.. why is it so hyped?
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Silent1 said:
Oh irony where for art thou.
People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
I'd agree with that but...People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
If we want to imagine what we'd like to do with our fantasy cars, i must admit that i really would like to go on a driving holiday with mine, so i'd need a couple or three changes of clothes.
heebeegeetee said:
Silent1 said:
Oh irony where for art thou.
People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
I'd agree with that but...People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
If we want to imagine what we'd like to do with our fantasy cars, i must admit that i really would like to go on a driving holiday with mine, so i'd need a couple or three changes of clothes.
The Maca was and still is an awesome piece of kit. When launched it stood head and shoulders above everything else. The Veyron. Well I've never driven the Maca but I have spent a day at the factory and driven the car. Much like the Maca it stands head and shoulders above any other supercar. The trick of the Veyron is that you can use its performance to the full and just concentrate on driving very very fast. There are not many cars that will pull the plus side of the double tonne and none that you can drive at that speed without the need to pucker the leather on the drivers seat. That is its trick. It will allow you to drive the car at ludicrous speeds totally relaxed and in complete comfort. You don't need to concern yourself with it spitting you of the road backwards. If you ever get the opportunity to drive one you instantly will understand what the Veyron is all about. I need to win the euro lottery as I need two. One for me and one for the OH
vonhosen said:
heebeegeetee said:
Silent1 said:
Oh irony where for art thou.
People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
I'd agree with that but...People arguing over the day to day practicalities of two cars they will never own and the people who own them couldn't give a toss as if they want something somewhere they'll call their concierge.
If we want to imagine what we'd like to do with our fantasy cars, i must admit that i really would like to go on a driving holiday with mine, so i'd need a couple or three changes of clothes.
graeme36s said:
The Maca was and still is an awesome piece of kit. When launched it stood head and shoulders above everything else. The Veyron. Well I've never driven the Maca but I have spent a day at the factory and driven the car. Much like the Maca it stands head and shoulders above any other supercar. The trick of the Veyron is that you can use its performance to the full and just concentrate on driving very very fast. There are not many cars that will pull the plus side of the double tonne and none that you can drive at that speed without the need to pucker the leather on the drivers seat. That is its trick. It will allow you to drive the car at ludicrous speeds totally relaxed and in complete comfort. You don't need to concern yourself with it spitting you of the road backwards. If you ever get the opportunity to drive one you instantly will understand what the Veyron is all about. I need to win the euro lottery as I need two. One for me and one for the OH
You can do all that in the Macca though, shirley? I mean, all that applies to the Macca too. I know it was built in '92 but there still ain't anybody here who is going to push that envelope.The thing that makes me laugh is when people bang on about the veyrons top speed. In order to achieve the top speed you need to put it into high speed mode with the turn of a key which goes in a barrel by the drivers door. The car then hunckers down and the rear wing retracts fully. The problem is that if you touch the brake pedal or apply more than 15 degrees of steering lock it comes out of high speed mode and you're back to normal mode. This means in order to get the top speed you need a very straight very clear very long stretch of road. In the real world this isn't ever going to happen, so the bugs top speed is irrelevent. If it hasn't got that to boast about it all becomes a bit of a waste of time doesn't it?
Rich_W said:
- Curious that you let him drive the cars, but not (Like Flemke) Clarkson and his motley band. I guess you must like 5th Gear more than Top Gear?
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 16th August 12:44
, & if its comedy im after i prefer Monty Python over the Pot Gear crew, anyway the Norwegian Blue is deceased apparently so no chance of it doing a lap in a reasonably priced car!
sperminator said:
The problem is that if you touch the brake pedal or apply more than 15 degrees of steering lock it comes out of high speed mode
I can't believe that? You put it into high speed mode and then the moment you pull out of the car park or layby, or come to a stop to put your foot down, it goes away?I'm sure there's a lot of caveats in that sentence that you made - such as only occurs once over 150mph, or something like that, and even then I'd be surprised.
Ah ha....
"Beyond this suggested checklist, there are a few catches in the procedure that will make it hard to perform a top-speed run on public roads. Once the Veyron exceeds 35 mph, if you turn the steering wheel more than 90 degrees, or so much as touch the brakes, the car's configuration reverts to the handling mode. The reasons for this became clear during my first top-speed lap. With downforce reduced, the Veyron no longer cut through the air like some hyperkinetic fastball. Instead, it meandered slightly, something akin to a swift knuckle ball."
So 90degrees, and once above 35mph. A bit different
"Beyond this suggested checklist, there are a few catches in the procedure that will make it hard to perform a top-speed run on public roads. Once the Veyron exceeds 35 mph, if you turn the steering wheel more than 90 degrees, or so much as touch the brakes, the car's configuration reverts to the handling mode. The reasons for this became clear during my first top-speed lap. With downforce reduced, the Veyron no longer cut through the air like some hyperkinetic fastball. Instead, it meandered slightly, something akin to a swift knuckle ball."
So 90degrees, and once above 35mph. A bit different
mr bridger said:
Rich_W said:
- Curious that you let him drive the cars, but not (Like Flemke) Clarkson and his motley band. I guess you must like 5th Gear more than Top Gear?
Edited by Rich_W on Sunday 16th August 12:44
, & if its comedy im after i prefer Monty Python over the Pot Gear crew, anyway the Norwegian Blue is deceased apparently so no chance of it doing a lap in a reasonably priced car!
AndrewW-G said:
Arguing over which hypercar is practical enough to use everyday seems to me rather like arguing over which one of the Maxim top 10 you'd like to have sex with!
Those with the money will spend it where they feel is most appropriate to their needs / tastes, some will blow it on a car some enthusiasts will deem tasteless, others will blow it on some canvas daubed with paint by a one eared loony, either way if you havent got the cash there's no point worrying if it doesnt have enough space for two laptops instead of one
As for me, if I had the cash I'd be happier using a Type 35b or an early Ferrari to trundle the 3 miles to work everyday
Those with the money will spend it where they feel is most appropriate to their needs / tastes, some will blow it on a car some enthusiasts will deem tasteless, others will blow it on some canvas daubed with paint by a one eared loony, either way if you havent got the cash there's no point worrying if it doesnt have enough space for two laptops instead of one
As for me, if I had the cash I'd be happier using a Type 35b or an early Ferrari to trundle the 3 miles to work everyday
3 miles!? Surely you should be walking it, or at least on your bicycle
sperminator said:
The thing that makes me laugh is when people bang on about the veyrons top speed. In order to achieve the top speed you need to put it into high speed mode with the turn of a key which goes in a barrel by the drivers door. The car then hunckers down and the rear wing retracts fully. The problem is that if you touch the brake pedal or apply more than 15 degrees of steering lock it comes out of high speed mode and you're back to normal mode. This means in order to get the top speed you need a very straight very clear very long stretch of road. In the real world this isn't ever going to happen, so the bugs top speed is irrelevent. If it hasn't got that to boast about it all becomes a bit of a waste of time doesn't it?
lol failTonyHetherington said:
Ah ha....
"Beyond this suggested checklist, there are a few catches in the procedure that will make it hard to perform a top-speed run on public roads. Once the Veyron exceeds 35 mph, if you turn the steering wheel more than 90 degrees, or so much as touch the brakes, the car's configuration reverts to the handling mode. The reasons for this became clear during my first top-speed lap. With downforce reduced, the Veyron no longer cut through the air like some hyperkinetic fastball. Instead, it meandered slightly, something akin to a swift knuckle ball."
So 90degrees, and once above 35mph. A bit different
Yes, but surely the more likely necessary manouevre would be to "so much as touch" the brakes. I cannot think of many driving situations in which I would need to drive in excess of 233 mph and turn the steering wheel between (say) 30 and 90 deg, but never touch the brakes, apart from at Ehra Leissen or Bonneville."Beyond this suggested checklist, there are a few catches in the procedure that will make it hard to perform a top-speed run on public roads. Once the Veyron exceeds 35 mph, if you turn the steering wheel more than 90 degrees, or so much as touch the brakes, the car's configuration reverts to the handling mode. The reasons for this became clear during my first top-speed lap. With downforce reduced, the Veyron no longer cut through the air like some hyperkinetic fastball. Instead, it meandered slightly, something akin to a swift knuckle ball."
So 90degrees, and once above 35mph. A bit different
Nobody sensible is going to expose his car to the salt flats, which leaves Ehra Leissen, and that brings us back to square one.
Another way of putting it is that the Top Speed Key boundaries are neither here nor there, because the top speed in a complete irrelevancy anyhow, apart from as a USP that has enabled VAG to get 250 cars out the door. I admire the engineering achievement, and I am glad that the car exists, but I would admire it far more if VAG had hand-built a 700kg car with a Vmax of 180, fabulous steering, braking and grip, which looked gorgeous, and cost and was worth the same as the Veyron.
XitUp said:
heebeegeetee said:
XitUp said:
1. Guinness Book of Records says.
Hmm. Not exactly a respected motoring source, is it? What was the test based on? A two-way max, once?35secToNuvolari said:
VAG has a subsidiary that produced such a car for Veyron money. It's 650kg, though, and goes 200 mph....it's called the 908.
One of the most special racing cars ever, although I thought we were talking about the kind of car where the driver's feet are behind the front axle and in a collision the space frame doesn't collapse like an accordian? Airbag said:
fpsasm said:
AUDIHenry said:
Vixpy1 said:
From an enginnering point of view, one cannot but impressed by the Veyron. However as a car it has always left me cold, it lacks any of the charm of an F1 or an XJ220. It is, like any Audi, simply a tool for getting from A to B as quickly as possible, in as much comfort as possible. I have no doubt it does this Brilliantly, but for me it will never be a classic in the way others have been.
Charm? Most people would not call the XJ charming. And the F1? It's a bloody sports car! It's like comparing a Bentley Conti GT to a Zonda. The Veyron is a faster Bentley, if you will, and it is ALONE in that class. It can be used daily, while the F1 can't, nor the XJ. It is a practical supercar. You cannot have it be practical/comfortable/easy to drive and light/good around corners/etc.I think most of you hating on the Veyron are either too purist or lost in British nationalism like the above poster seems to be.
...amnyway.. the McLaren can be used each day... and u couldnt use a S-h-i-t-ron (veyron) daily cause it doesnt have any bag-space...
The only conclusion to draw from this thread (and really any of fpsasm's posts) is that the quality of trolls on PH has declined of late.
EFA, thanks Andrew!
Edited by Airbag on Sunday 16th August 22:39
The point is, the Veyron is a better car for every day use. You can argue all you want, but that remains the case.
Let me put it this way: if you were picking up a girl and showed up in an F1, she'd think you are an idiot.
flemke said:
35secToNuvolari said:
VAG has a subsidiary that produced such a car for Veyron money. It's 650kg, though, and goes 200 mph....it's called the 908.
One of the most special racing cars ever, although I thought we were talking about the kind of car where the driver's feet are behind the front axle and in a collision the space frame doesn't collapse like an accordian? heebeegeetee said:
XitUp said:
heebeegeetee said:
XitUp said:
1. Guinness Book of Records says.
Hmm. Not exactly a respected motoring source, is it? What was the test based on? A two-way max, once?XitUp said:
heebeegeetee said:
XitUp said:
heebeegeetee said:
XitUp said:
1. Guinness Book of Records says.
Hmm. Not exactly a respected motoring source, is it? What was the test based on? A two-way max, once?I'd say it's not what the car does, it's how it does it, and the same applies to the F1 which is why these two cars stand out amongst the type of car we are talking about.
Most car fans would not refer to the guiness book of records imo. There would need to be more sources than that to make any substantive claims, and even them most enthusiasts would not be swayed by straight line speed. Imo.
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