RE: UK Drive: Audi TT RS

[gavzdc5445]

Love Audis...but this is a bit "Halfords" look-ish tbh what is happening with those 24" 5 spoke things?? lol

[ctallchris]

nonuts said:

ctallchris said:

the audi with yet another vw golf chassis made to look sporty...

But it's not, the latest TT isn't just a tarted up golf from every single article I've read... even going back to 2006.

http://www.newswheel.com/newswheel/stories/new-aud... for example!

All audis / vw's / seats use the same archetecture. (r8 is the exception)

They may not be the same chassis like the first gen but they are manufactured using the same materials and methods and have the majority of the same components bolted onto them when completed

[nonuts]

ctallchris said:

They may not be the same chassis like the first gen but they are manufactured using the same materials and methods and have the majority of the same components bolted onto them when completed

You could say that about any car company I can think of.

[pilchardthecat]

ewenm said:

pilchardthecat said:

jonlwright said:

pilchardthecat said:

It looks like an Audi

....

Blimey! Who would have thought that? An Audi that looks like.... hang on.... wait for it..... an Audi!

By which (of course) i meant to imply that they all sort of look a bit "samey"

cf Porsche, BMW, Merc...

"Family resemblance" is seen to be a good thing.

... by marketing dicks and people interested in brand image and corporate perception.

I don't know about you, but I think it's a fking scourge, and Audi are one of the worst offenders.

[ewenm]

pilchardthecat said:

ewenm said:

pilchardthecat said:

jonlwright said:

pilchardthecat said:

It looks like an Audi
....

Blimey! Who would have thought that? An Audi that looks like.... hang on.... wait for it..... an Audi!

By which (of course) i meant to imply that they all sort of look a bit "samey"

cf Porsche, BMW, Merc...

"Family resemblance" is seen to be a good thing.

... by marketing dicks and people interested in brand image and corporate perception.

I don't know about you, but I think it's a fking scourge, and Audi are one of the worst offenders.

I don't worry so much about the looks of a car. :shrug:

If pushed, I'd say Porsche are the worst, with Audi/Merc/BMW about the same.

[ctallchris]

nonuts said:

ctallchris said:

They may not be the same chassis like the first gen but they are manufactured using the same materials and methods and have the majority of the same components bolted onto them when completed

You could say that about any car company I can think of.

Major differences being vw's archetecture was designed to produce a family car while say toyota have a very flexable approach (mr2's and avensis's come off the same production line and be completely different) audis approach is very inflexable.

Common archetecture - good thing - keeps cars cheap
Inflexible and unimaginative design - bad thing

[J111]

ctallchris said:

They may not be the same chassis like the first gen but they are manufactured using the same materials and methods and have the majority of the same components bolted onto them when completed

If only that were true, one wouldn't have to remortgage to keep a (real) RS in consumables.

If you mean 'the majority of Audis are steel unibody construction' then, er, yes, isn't that true of every major car manufacturer?

[ctallchris]

pilchardthecat said:

ewenm said:

pilchardthecat said:

jonlwright said:

pilchardthecat said:

It looks like an Audi

....

Blimey! Who would have thought that? An Audi that looks like.... hang on.... wait for it..... an Audi!

By which (of course) i meant to imply that they all sort of look a bit "samey"

cf Porsche, BMW, Merc...

"Family resemblance" is seen to be a good thing.

... by marketing dicks and people interested in brand image and corporate perception.

I don't know about you, but I think it's a fking scourge, and Audi are one of the worst offenders.

What i find amazing is that this dullness makes it's way into supercar circles - lambo / most ferrari's / Astons - I'm sorry if you're paying £100,000 + for a car you should expect something different and special hands up if you've seen a lambo that looks any different to any other lambo since vw took over?

(caveat congrats to ferrari on the california)

[leon9191]

forzaminardi said:

.....Proof that while Audi have moved on in some ways, you can't polish a t*rd.

No but you can roll one in glitter.

I think the body kit makes it look a bit tall and thin apposed to the squat muscular look of other RSs. Still not a bad looking car, maybe if they had made it look more like a baby R8 but then they would have been criticised over that as well.

Also I think the driving experience had to be tamed a bit they wouldn’t want it to out shine the R8 even just the V8 one.

[ctallchris]

J111 said:

ctallchris said:

They may not be the same chassis like the first gen but they are manufactured using the same materials and methods and have the majority of the same components bolted onto them when completed

If only that were true, one wouldn't have to remortgage to keep a (real) RS in consumables.

If you mean 'the majority of Audis are steel unibody construction' then, er, yes, isn't that true of every major car manufacturer?

It is more about the approach taken / the set of best practices they use and the philosophy which they design cars. Archetecture controls the design process to ensure that everything hangs together well when it is finished. At some stage around 1998 vw said the golf is popular lets make more cars like that they analysed how it was designed and put together and repeated the process refining it. Changing the shapes of the chassis when a car required it but using the same formula because they know it works.

This prevents you geting bad cars these days (ok compared to some others they will be bad but not in the 80's rover level of actually being poorly constructed and thought through). Depressingly you also limit the chance for strokes of genius... except for lotus who fortunately now are doing chassis consultancy for a lot of people.

[fathomfive]

Remarkably ugly.

[nickfrog]

LOL. It's more expensive than a Boxster S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which do you prefer : an Haldex equipped front-engine high COG car that will drive like a front driver on the limit...

...or a mid-engine low COG roadster with incredible balance/steering/brakes/grip/etc/etc ?

How can anyone think the Audi be "fun" at this price is beyond me. Another triumph of marketing aimed at people with ZERO knowledge of car dynamics.

There is more in life than traction...each to their own though...

[E21_Ross]

nonuts said:

I doubt I'll ever understand the statements like in that article, I like the fact my car feels solid. I would also hazard a guess that car would be a lot of fun. I guess that's just because I'm an Audi driving cock though.

Would be interesting to see a 335i coupe vs TT RS test.

surely it would be the new Z4 with that 3.0 straight six in it? i don't like the styling of many modern beemers but the new Z4 is lovely

[MiniMan64]

£44k for a TT before you hit the options list?

Ouch.

[ctallchris]

E21_Ross said:

nonuts said:

I doubt I'll ever understand the statements like in that article, I like the fact my car feels solid. I would also hazard a guess that car would be a lot of fun. I guess that's just because I'm an Audi driving cock though.

Would be interesting to see a 335i coupe vs TT RS test.

surely it would be the new Z4 with that 3.0 straight six in it? i don't like the styling of many modern beemers but the new Z4 is lovely

Never Drive one you will be very disappointed. Better to look at them from afar then you can keep that optimism going nurture it. Help it grow until one day someone brings out something that looks as good but is less mindnummingly boring to drive and you will never have to go through the painful soul destroying experience of actually driving one.

Possibly over the top a little there but i think it gets the point accross
new z4 /= drivers car

[E21_Ross]

ctallchris said:

E21_Ross said:

nonuts said:

I doubt I'll ever understand the statements like in that article, I like the fact my car feels solid. I would also hazard a guess that car would be a lot of fun. I guess that's just because I'm an Audi driving cock though.

Would be interesting to see a 335i coupe vs TT RS test.

surely it would be the new Z4 with that 3.0 straight six in it? i don't like the styling of many modern beemers but the new Z4 is lovely

Never Drive one you will be very disappointed. Better to look at them from afar then you can keep that optimism going nurture it. Help it grow until one day someone brings out something that looks as good but is less mindnummingly boring to drive and you will never have to go through the painful soul destroying experience of actually driving one.

Possibly over the top a little there but i think it gets the point accross
new z4 /= drivers car

i've heard that, it's a shame

still...a few mods a few years down the line can sirley solve that

[Kentish]

I liked the auto express write up on the base model roadster (TTR), it said a lot of what has been said here regarding the price.

You may as well buy a basic model as it has a high level of standard kit and is still fun to drive but costs half the price.

Basic models are no longer "that" basic.

I had an Alfa Spider before I bought a TTR and it was £2k more when new than the TTR but the 2 cars are in different leagues for the amount of features and the build quality, in hindsight the Alfa was very poor value when new and poor quality but it did handle very well and it was therefore still quite a rewarding drive.

When you look at some of the competition, the lower and mid-range Audi models don't look so expensive.

[nonuts]

ctallchris said:

Possibly over the top a little there but i think it gets the point accross
new z4 /= drivers car

Does this mean you've driven the new Z4 as well?

What car do you have (just out of curiosity)?

[Shape Shifter]

nickfrog said:

LOL. It's more expensive than a Boxster S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which do you prefer : an Haldex equipped front-engine high COG car that will drive like a front driver on the limit...

...or a mid-engine low COG roadster with incredible balance/steering/brakes/grip/etc/etc ?

How can anyone think the Audi be "fun" at this price is beyond me. Another triumph of marketing aimed at people with ZERO knowledge of car dynamics.

There is more in life than traction...each to their own though...

Much of what you say is true. A Cayman/Boxster is a better drivers car at the limit, but how many typical buyers ever even have a passing acquaintance with 'the limit'? I'll wager precious few.

If you weren't interested in taking to the track at all, the Audi actually makes a lot of sense. It feels subjectively quicker than the Cayman S. Much quicker. It also feels much classier to sit in, the materials are better and, if you're interested in the numbers, offers better fuel economy and better residuals than the Porsche.

As a dedicated road car, I think it might be the smarter buy and that's coming from someone who can't praise the Cayman highly enough.

Edited by Shape Shifter on Tuesday 18th August 13:36

[ctallchris]

nonuts said:

ctallchris said:

Possibly over the top a little there but i think it gets the point accross
new z4 /= drivers car

Does this mean you've driven the new Z4 as well?

What car do you have (just out of curiosity)?

Current Cars -
TVR Chimera 450
Suzuki swift (for the long motorway commute)

I had the following requirements for a car
must fit all 6'8" of me
rwd
open top

I test drove just about everything in production (and a lot of things that weren't) that fitted that description (and quite a few that just missed the first criteria).
I ended up very close to buying a boxter. a ferrari 360 seemed a bit pricey considering all the costs and I really didn't like the exhaust note. The old z4 was very nice to drive but i didn't fit properly due to poor interior design.