RE: On The Road In The Mitsubishi Evo FQ400
Discussion
Ralf Rockefeller said:
BBS-LM said:
£50k 
If I had £50K to spend on a car, I would try and save up the extra money, £16K and get a second hand GT3 997. Worth every penny.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1208543.htm
Thats brilliant, until you had to use for family things, like back seats for kids. If I had £50K to spend on a car, I would try and save up the extra money, £16K and get a second hand GT3 997. Worth every penny.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1208543.htm
Edited by BBS-LM on Tuesday 25th August 12:12
And if you say you have no kids- then why would you be looking at a 4 door fast car in the first place?
Pointless.
sosidge said:
But it hasn't - that's the problem with the Evo now.
Mitsubishi have no presence in the serious part of the WRC, just supplying a few production cars, which have most of the specialised electronics and engine tweaks removed.
It's long-time rival the Subaru Impreza is a pale shadow of what it was... they really dropped the ball with the hatchback, I bet the dealers are weeping into their spreadsheets.
I still respect the Evo as a car, but it's a relic of a past era.
WRC cars have very little relevance to production cars anyway - however both Subaru and Mitsubishi are both still very active in production classes like Group N. AFAIK the Evo X is yet to become competitive, but the new Impreza is currently dominating the Asia-Pacific championship.Mitsubishi have no presence in the serious part of the WRC, just supplying a few production cars, which have most of the specialised electronics and engine tweaks removed.
It's long-time rival the Subaru Impreza is a pale shadow of what it was... they really dropped the ball with the hatchback, I bet the dealers are weeping into their spreadsheets.
I still respect the Evo as a car, but it's a relic of a past era.
ETA: By 'a relic of a past era' do you mean that because they're not a new idea anymore they're no longer fashionable?
Edited by GravelBen on Tuesday 25th August 13:12
HellDiver said:
MrKipling43 said:
You'd have to MENTAL to buy this car when you can have the Beemer for as-near-as-makes-no-difference money.
Somehow I think if you wanted a quick saloon you'd be mental to pay £50k for a BMW that doesn't even have 4WD.Wadeski said:
does PH have a GTR test car?
how does it compare - i seem to remember Evo thought it was a close run thing, with the Uber-Evo being more entertaining?
I drove the GTR when we had it in and I did think about comparing the two, but the Evo X and the GTR are different types of cars and it seems unfair to compare something smaller and nimbler like the Evo to the powerful Grand Tourer of the GTR, just because they are close in price and Japanese.how does it compare - i seem to remember Evo thought it was a close run thing, with the Uber-Evo being more entertaining?
I am sure I few in the office would disagree with me, but I would say that the Evo X felt less computer controlled than the GTR. The Evo X also felt quicker, but mainly due to the size rather than the fact it was. You could easily cruise in the GTR at 100 (kph) without feeling you were going fast at all.
Cornering and accelerating while pressing the clutch pedal and grappling gears always seems more involved (to me) than planting a right foot and flicking a paddle, so it can give the impression of being more fun to drive.
But the price of a GTR feels like a bargain, and the Evo X feeling like you were ripped off!
RobCrezz said:
RacingPete said:
But the price of a GTR feels like a bargain, and the Evo X feeling like you were ripped off!
I wonder if Mitsi had made this version a 2 door coupe (like m3 coupe), and it had been a bit more pretty, bit less practical, would it have been more accepted as a PH car?We like estate cars, saloon cars, coupes, and cabrios. Don't be fooled into thinking we only like one type of vehicle as that would be way off the mark.
That said, I didn't even drive it so what do I know
HellDiver said:
MrKipling43 said:
You'd have to MENTAL to buy this car when you can have the Beemer for as-near-as-makes-no-difference money.
Somehow I think if you wanted a quick saloon you'd be mental to pay £50k for a BMW that doesn't even have 4WD.Edited by E21_Ross on Tuesday 25th August 14:15
Staffy1984 said:
HellDiver said:
MrKipling43 said:
You'd have to MENTAL to buy this car when you can have the Beemer for as-near-as-makes-no-difference money.
Somehow I think if you wanted a quick saloon you'd be mental to pay £50k for a BMW that doesn't even have 4WD.On a personal note, I'd rather drive a car made by a Japanese air conditioning company than a car made by a company partly owned by cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
Ralf Rockefeller said:
BBS-LM said:
£50k
If I had £50K to spend on a car, I would try and save up the extra money, £16K and get a second hand GT3 997. Worth every penny.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1208543.htm
Thats brilliant, until you had to use for family things, like back seats for kids. If I had £50K to spend on a car, I would try and save up the extra money, £16K and get a second hand GT3 997. Worth every penny.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1208543.htm
Edited by BBS-LM on Tuesday 25th August 12:12
And if you say you have no kids- then why would you be looking at a 4 door fast car in the first place?
Pointless.
I/m working at home today and I have an old episode of Fifth Gear on in the background. They put the 'old' FQ400 around the track against a Noble M400.
As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
adycav said:
I/m working at home today and I have an old episode of Fifth Gear on in the background. They put the 'old' FQ400 around the track against a Noble M400.
As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
An M3 is different from a Noble.As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
Also, an Evo is different from both a Noble and an M3. People buy their cars for different reasons, so even if an M3 or Noble is quicker than an Evo in whatever test you decide, doens't mean that there's no reason for the car to exist.
All cars are a compromise, so each one is bias towards certain characteristics, it will have strenghts where another has weaknesses.
Have you ever played 'top trumps'? Well it's like that in real life too. The 'winner' of each head to head is largely determined by the test which is applied.
So I don't think it's neccessarily relevant to compare the Evo against a Porsche or a BMW M car, as the 'winner' depends on the test, and different buyers have different priorities. Your car suits your priorities and my car suits mine. My car would be rubbish for what you want from a car, and vice versa.
E21_Ross said:
errr what?! are you serious? lol people love them because they are rear wheel drive. an M3 has so much grip and is great handling it doesn't really need it... rear wheel drive adds to it's great character
As much character as a Ford Transit, and as common. Edited by E21_Ross on Tuesday 25th August 14:15
My housemate has an M3, and I've driven it often enough - it's fast, but I don't quite understand where all this touted "excitement" comes from.
I guess some people like 400hp Cortinas...
adycav said:
I/m working at home today and I have an old episode of Fifth Gear on in the background. They put the 'old' FQ400 around the track against a Noble M400.
As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
I drive a 3, but unless you're talking about rolling straightline speed, an M BMW isn't really gonna out perform an evo. (unless its the M5 and pitting a 2 litre turbo against a V10 is a bit unrealistic)As well as looking ridiculous the Evo was over two seconds a lap slower than the Noble. Apparently it was difficult to keep in the powerband and it was a pain in the arse to manhandle around the corners.
The conclusion? There's no substitute for a decent RWD chassis. So don't be so sure that the new one would leave an M3 (for example) "for dead" as someone said above.
This will 0-60 quicker, and more consistently, corner quicker (but will it be as fun?) and stop a lot quicker.
BMWs arent the fastest or best handling cars, but there isn't anything out there thats NA that handles quite like a bimmer, thats why the people love them they're unique, it's the great ammount of grip coupled with the ability to break that traction and steer from the rear thats still selling the e30/e36.
The new M3 however is a completely different car, Way more power, and quite a bit chubbier to boot, but the drive is still unmistakeably Bavarian.
M3s, Mitzi Evo's and GT-Rs are different cars for different jobs, and I for one would have all three, well maybe not the evo, I'd have a litchfield type 25 instead but thats me, and 19 more bhp is everything.
Edited by Staffy1984 on Tuesday 25th August 16:23
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