RE: On The Road In The Mitsubishi Evo FQ400

[russellwatson17]

Cant help but think if the evo had a dress on and a BMW/Merc/Audi ect badge on it no one would think its too expensive!

50k too expensive for a mitsubishi - yes?

50k too expensive for a geniune supercar that you can take your family to the shops in? hmmm

[Staffy1984]

russellwatson17 said:

Cant help but think if the evo had a dress on and a BMW/Merc/Audi ect badge on it no one would think its too expensive!

50k too expensive for a mitsubishi - yes?

50k too expensive for a geniune supercar that you can take your family to the shops in? hmmm

But the evo isn't a supercar, and the GT-R is.

Edited by Staffy1984 on Tuesday 25th August 16:24

[jas16]

ive never driven one, but the standard car seems to get good reviews.

i also agree with everyone on the price...getting serious there

[RobCrezz]

Garlick said:

RobCrezz said:

RacingPete said:

But the price of a GTR feels like a bargain, and the Evo X feeling like you were ripped off!

I wonder if Mitsi had made this version a 2 door coupe (like m3 coupe), and it had been a bit more pretty, bit less practical, would it have been more accepted as a PH car?

Not at all.

We like estate cars, saloon cars, coupes, and cabrios. Don't be fooled into thinking we only like one type of vehicle as that would be way off the mark.

That said, I didn't even drive it so what do I know

Noone asked you old man, you were too scared to drive it


But my meaning was, less of "Chavved up lancer" (not my words), but a pretty coupe that was very capable, like that Prodrive P2, that they didnt make...

[Warick Hunt]

It doesnt say if they have done anything about the 'geological' turbo lag of the 400?

[mrmr96]

Warick Hunt said:

It doesnt say if they have done anything about the 'geological' turbo lag of the 400?

The new engine has all kinds of jiggery pokery which improves the response of the Evo X FQ400 over the Evo VIII FQ400. At the very least there's now MIVEC (electronic variable valves I think) and a redesigned turbo.

The Evo X uses a completely new engine block, the 4B11, which is still a 2.0 with a big turbo, but it's a long way different from the old 4G63 used since the very first Lancer Evo's right up to the Evo 9!!

[Dagnut]

russellwatson17 said:

Cant help but think if the evo had a dress on and a BMW/Merc/Audi ect badge on it no one would think its too expensive!

50k too expensive for a mitsubishi - yes?

50k too expensive for a geniune supercar that you can take your family to the shops in? hmmm

Problem is when you compare it to the competetion..the type 20 is 13k cheaper...13k thats a lot of money. Also service intervals on these are ridiculous so they nearly are a genuine supercar yes, especially in terms of maintenance.

[Dagnut]

mrmr96 said:

Warick Hunt said:

It doesnt say if they have done anything about the 'geological' turbo lag of the 400?

The new engine has all kinds of jiggery pokery which improves the response of the Evo X FQ400 over the Evo VIII FQ400. At the very least there's now MIVEC (electronic variable valves I think) and a redesigned turbo.

The Evo X uses a completely new engine block, the 4B11, which is still a 2.0 with a big turbo, but it's a long way different from the old 4G63 used since the very first Lancer Evo's right up to the Evo 9!!

I don't think MIVEC Is new is it?

[car2tref]

Having been in the predicament of having to choose between three of the mentioned cars above apart from them being older versions:
GTR Vs Evo Vs M3
I needed to choose one and sell two, it took 3 months to decide and after using all three on track days and approx 1000mile round trips each I chose the GTR and after a month of driving it, I ended up missing the evo the most!!
The M3 needed regular and expensive fettling and managed to average nearly £1k per service/parts etc..
The Evo needed regular fettling and averaged £320 per service.
The GTR needed regular fettling but averaged £300 per service/sort out.
The GTR was by far the fastest on nearly all roads, including M4 motorway. M3 could'nt stay with the acceleration.
The evo was by far the best on A or especially B roads, responsive and road holding and feel was unbelievable and on track days it just made the other two look like they were trying too hard!! The only reason the Evo had to go was because I was once embarrassed by a dabble on the M4 with some tuned up Subaru, a noble and a Porsche.
£50k ridiculous but secondhand- WOW!!

Edited by car2tref on Tuesday 25th August 18:09

[mrmr96]

Dagnut said:

mrmr96 said:

Warick Hunt said:

It doesnt say if they have done anything about the 'geological' turbo lag of the 400?

The new engine has all kinds of jiggery pokery which improves the response of the Evo X FQ400 over the Evo VIII FQ400. At the very least there's now MIVEC (electronic variable valves I think) and a redesigned turbo.

The Evo X uses a completely new engine block, the 4B11, which is still a 2.0 with a big turbo, but it's a long way different from the old 4G63 used since the very first Lancer Evo's right up to the Evo 9!!

I don't think MIVEC Is new is it?

MIVEC first appeared on an Evo on the Evo 9. It's therefore 'new' compared to the old FQ400 which was an Evo 8, without MIVEC. Sorry if you've misread my comment, I was pointing out the differences between the old (8) FQ400 and the new (10) FQ400. The new one has MIVEC and the old one doesn't. Apologies for the confusion.

[Warick Hunt]

I still cant take the car seriously not with four doors and a front end that looks as though its already been written off.
£50,000 yeh right...£30,000 max.

[Dagnut]

mrmr96 said:

Dagnut said:

mrmr96 said:

Warick Hunt said:

It doesnt say if they have done anything about the 'geological' turbo lag of the 400?

The new engine has all kinds of jiggery pokery which improves the response of the Evo X FQ400 over the Evo VIII FQ400. At the very least there's now MIVEC (electronic variable valves I think) and a redesigned turbo.

The Evo X uses a completely new engine block, the 4B11, which is still a 2.0 with a big turbo, but it's a long way different from the old 4G63 used since the very first Lancer Evo's right up to the Evo 9!!

I don't think MIVEC Is new is it?

MIVEC first appeared on an Evo on the Evo 9. It's therefore 'new' compared to the old FQ400 which was an Evo 8, without MIVEC. Sorry if you've misread my comment, I was pointing out the differences between the old (8) FQ400 and the new (10) FQ400. The new one has MIVEC and the old one doesn't. Apologies for the confusion.

No confusion mate I was genuinely asking..I thought it had been on EVO's since the 4 considering it's been around since the mid 90's. Cheers for that.

[mikEsprit]

0 to 60 in 3.8 secs? Are there any new cars quicker than that for less money?

Edited by mikEsprit on Tuesday 25th August 23:49

[mrmr96]

mikEsprit said:

0 to 60 in 3.8 secs? Are there any new cars quicker than that for less money?

Edited by mikEsprit on Tuesday 25th August 23:49

Probably some superlights. But we're getting back to playing 'Top Trumps' again, arn't we?

[youngsyr]

Dagnut said:

...Also service intervals on these are ridiculous so they nearly are a genuine supercar yes, especially in terms of maintenance.

Err, not as far as I'm aware. Service intervals on the X FQ-300 to 360s are every 10,000 miles and you can buy a three year, 30,000 mile service pack for £500 when you buy the car. They also come with a 3 year warranty.

Hardly ridiculous any way you look at it.

[mrmr96]

Staffy1984 said:

russellwatson17 said:

Cant help but think if the evo had a dress on and a BMW/Merc/Audi ect badge on it no one would think its too expensive!

50k too expensive for a mitsubishi - yes?

50k too expensive for a geniune supercar that you can take your family to the shops in? hmmm

But the evo isn't a supercar, and the GT-R is.

Edited by Staffy1984 on Tuesday 25th August 16:24

How do you define a supercar though? If it's a quantative measurement then you could look at performance figures and laptimes etc (i.e. FQ400 beating all kinds of 'super car(?)' TG Power Laps) If it's qualatative then it's purely subjective.

TG Power Lap times extract:
1:24.8 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400
1:24.8 - TVR Tuscan Mk.II
1:25.0 - Noble M12 GTO-3R
1:25.1 - Lotus Exige S
1:25.3 - BMW M3 (E90)
1:25.7 - Lotus Evora
1:25.7 - Audi RS4[12]
1:25.7 - Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder
1:25.8 - Lamborghini Gallardo (wet)
1:25.9 - Morgan Aero 8 GTN[13]
1:26.0 - BMW M3 CSL (E46) (very wet)
1:26.0 - Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black series
1:26.0 - BMW Z4 M roadster (E85)
1:26.0 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ320[14]
1:26.2 - BMW M5[15] (E60)
1:26.2 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)
1:26.2 - Brabus S Biturbo Roadster
1:26.3 - Vauxhall VXR8 Bathurst
1:26.4 - Lotus Exige (mildly moist)
1:26.7 - Porsche Cayman S[16]
1:26.7 - Jaguar XFR
1:26.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 LS2
1:26.8 - Aston Martin V12 Vantage (Not shown on TV)
1:26.8 - Ferrari 575M Maranello GTC[17]
1:26.9 - Lexus IS-F
1:26.9 - Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG
1:27:0 - BMW M5 E39
1:27.1 - Aston Martin Vanquish S
1:27.1 - Aston Martin DB9
1:27.1 - Holden Maloo
1:27.2 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) (mildly moist)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track#T...

Cue lots of people saying "Well, to me a 'super car' is XYZ". Not a lot of point continuing that discussion really.

The chap who made the Supercar comment is entitled to define as a 'supercar' whatever he feels appropriate, unless someone can direct me to a 3rd party 'universally' agreed definition of "sports car" "super car" "hyper car" etc etc.

[RobCrezz]

mrmr96 said:

Staffy1984 said:

russellwatson17 said:

Cant help but think if the evo had a dress on and a BMW/Merc/Audi ect badge on it no one would think its too expensive!

50k too expensive for a mitsubishi - yes?

50k too expensive for a geniune supercar that you can take your family to the shops in? hmmm

But the evo isn't a supercar, and the GT-R is.

Edited by Staffy1984 on Tuesday 25th August 16:24

How do you define a supercar though? If it's a quantative measurement then you could look at performance figures and laptimes etc (i.e. FQ400 beating all kinds of 'super car(?)' TG Power Laps) If it's qualatative then it's purely subjective.

TG Power Lap times extract:
1:24.8 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-400
1:24.8 - TVR Tuscan Mk.II
1:25.0 - Noble M12 GTO-3R
1:25.1 - Lotus Exige S
1:25.3 - BMW M3 (E90)
1:25.7 - Lotus Evora
1:25.7 - Audi RS4[12]
1:25.7 - Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder
1:25.8 - Lamborghini Gallardo (wet)
1:25.9 - Morgan Aero 8 GTN[13]
1:26.0 - BMW M3 CSL (E46) (very wet)
1:26.0 - Mercedes-Benz CLK 63 AMG Black series
1:26.0 - BMW Z4 M roadster (E85)
1:26.0 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ320[14]
1:26.2 - BMW M5[15] (E60)
1:26.2 - Porsche 911 Carrera S (997)
1:26.2 - Brabus S Biturbo Roadster
1:26.3 - Vauxhall VXR8 Bathurst
1:26.4 - Lotus Exige (mildly moist)
1:26.7 - Porsche Cayman S[16]
1:26.7 - Jaguar XFR
1:26.8 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 LS2
1:26.8 - Aston Martin V12 Vantage (Not shown on TV)
1:26.8 - Ferrari 575M Maranello GTC[17]
1:26.9 - Lexus IS-F
1:26.9 - Mercedes-Benz CLS55 AMG
1:27:0 - BMW M5 E39
1:27.1 - Aston Martin Vanquish S
1:27.1 - Aston Martin DB9
1:27.1 - Holden Maloo
1:27.2 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996) (mildly moist)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track#T...

Cue lots of people saying "Well, to me a 'super car' is XYZ". Not a lot of point continuing that discussion really.

The chap who made the Supercar comment is entitled to define as a 'supercar' whatever he feels appropriate, unless someone can direct me to a 3rd party 'universally' agreed definition of "sports car" "super car" "hyper car" etc etc.

Thats the old FQ400, I expect the new one would be faster (tyres, power delivery etc).

[mrmr96]

RobCrezz said:

Thats the old FQ400, I expect the new one would be faster (tyres, power delivery etc).

Indeed. I completely agree. Shame there's no time yet availible for the new car. Hopefully this will be on the next series of TG in the Autumn.

[joz8968]

Dagnut said:

...I don't think MIVEC Is new is it?

You're right, it isn't.

But Mitsubishi only decided to add it to the Evo IX's motor onwards... so only the IX and X got it. So from that POV, it is new to the Evo motors.


EDIT: Oops, sorry - I didn't see mrmr96's response already explaining this.

Edited by joz8968 on Wednesday 26th August 13:41

[youngsyr]

Talking of MIVEC, I believe the X has variable valve timing on both the inlet and exhaust cam of the engine as opposed to just the inlet on the IX.