RE: PH Heroes: Porsche 911 Turbo
Discussion
cbrannan said:
I drove a 996 before buying the '88 3.2, what's that all about, the 996 was like driving a Golf or something, agreed, no soul (but sole is nice if poached in white wine!!) And Warwick, get a life man, you need to get out more............
The Air cooled 3.2 engine has been known to go on for 500-600,000 miles with no need for a top end overhaul and no use of oil, with good oil pressure (admittedly long distance miles)- see bruce Andersons 911 book. Incredible engines!I wouldn't want to think about what a 3.4 996 engine is like after 500,000 miles!
190E Matt said:
Marquis_Rex said:
Warick Hunt said:
OK I'll prove it, hands up all the owner with a pony tail..come on dont be she wave it about...1,2,3,4,5,6,7........
Another troll that doesn't post what car he has on his profile.You can't start driving until you are 17....
911 is one of the most evocative numbers in motoring history. everyone knows what a 911 is no matter which model people are referring to. the car has evolved into something special & as Porsche arent doing anything wrong with it the car simply gets better as it is developed year after year.
i love the 911. it's quick, it's a proper drivers car & it can be scary - the 3.3 turbo from the mid 80's was mind blowingly quick & extremely dangerous in the wrong hands (my opinion as many people will probably blame stupid drivers) - but overall it is just a fantastic brand which Porsche will probably never be allowed to drop from it's line up.
they will certainly never build a better car.
i have never owned one although i have driven various versions (959, 2.7rs, turbo's etc) & would buy one without hesitation if i had the money. which, sadly, i dont.
motoring perfection i think.
i love the 911. it's quick, it's a proper drivers car & it can be scary - the 3.3 turbo from the mid 80's was mind blowingly quick & extremely dangerous in the wrong hands (my opinion as many people will probably blame stupid drivers) - but overall it is just a fantastic brand which Porsche will probably never be allowed to drop from it's line up.
they will certainly never build a better car.
i have never owned one although i have driven various versions (959, 2.7rs, turbo's etc) & would buy one without hesitation if i had the money. which, sadly, i dont.
motoring perfection i think.
zero corrosion said:
Best 911's ever.
Turbo & the Supersport are up there in my all time best looking Porsches.
Then the 965.
Any t***ser who thinks they are crap, has jealousy issues and maybe just maybe runs a chav car and reads Max power. Nuff said.
ok this is mine ,Supersport SSeTurbo & the Supersport are up there in my all time best looking Porsches.
Then the 965.
Any t***ser who thinks they are crap, has jealousy issues and maybe just maybe runs a chav car and reads Max power. Nuff said.
Mike
I have a 4 speed 930 as well as a normally aspirated Carrera 3.o, which is a bit lighter than it rolled off the factory line.
I had a bit of a stint with a 964 widebody as well. I immediately realised my mistake: why taking a good car and make it heavier, thirstier and create more drag: the polar opposite of what Ruf does (more powerfull engine in small light body). But I was lured by the whole athena poster thing and still, people get attracted to that wide body arse end.
So the 964 jubi went and the turbo came. At least, big arse and appropriate engine (for its time).
The turbo is an either/or car: on the one hand, I lets you waiting during B road driving, and on the other hand it is king of acceleration on the motorway.
The first UK test of the Turbo 3.3 was done by Steve Cropley at Car Magazine. I suppose that the quote of “into the red in second, the turbo does 95mph” could very well be true. I understood that third goes up to 130mph, but the bottom line is that you have to drive the thing like an animal in order to make stellar progress(and to keep up with a normally aspirated Carrera).
The reality is that driving a turbo is "hard work". Driving old porsches is still "slow in, fast out." With a turbo you brake, set the bend, floor it at 2400 rpm, waitwaitwait, hit the apex at 3000 rpm, BOOST, “crickey have we arrived already?” and BRAKE.
The carrera comes on cam at 4200 and due to its 5 speeds and short 2nd and 3rd, you are pretty much "bang on" and accelerate faster in "real world" conditions.
I don't have the numbers of the Turbo 3.3 at hand, but here is a comparison test of the then new Turbo 3.o vs the Carrera 3.o.
The turbo is in my opinion not really a balls-out car: it is a comfy long distance GT. On a European Autobahn you could technically accelerate in second on the sliproad, join the motorway at 85mph, meander through the lorries, put your foot down, redline, third, get some boost, and she will do 150 mph all day long until you have reached your Berlin office. But we live in the United Kingdom, with a speed limit of 70mph. Plently of A roads are restricted to 50 mph.... This car is a bit of a anachronism.
Having said that, the way its suspension works, how it grips the road, the way you can chuck it in a bend and the way this 911 is weighted: pure magic. This driving style is far too risky for a short wheel base 911, which was the original widow maker, but when the turbo 3.3 hit the market with its bigger tie rod ends, different banana arms and 917 derived braking, it is a Porsche Package that feels just right.
Furthermore, the turbo is quiet. The exhaust noise reverberating through the woods of the peak district is a joy in my carrera 3, but the turbo intercooler package quietens things down considerably in the 930.
So, for the moment I'm using the turbo for european long hauls, the Carrera for A and B road chasing.
Take care,
Bert
I had a bit of a stint with a 964 widebody as well. I immediately realised my mistake: why taking a good car and make it heavier, thirstier and create more drag: the polar opposite of what Ruf does (more powerfull engine in small light body). But I was lured by the whole athena poster thing and still, people get attracted to that wide body arse end.
So the 964 jubi went and the turbo came. At least, big arse and appropriate engine (for its time).
The turbo is an either/or car: on the one hand, I lets you waiting during B road driving, and on the other hand it is king of acceleration on the motorway.
The first UK test of the Turbo 3.3 was done by Steve Cropley at Car Magazine. I suppose that the quote of “into the red in second, the turbo does 95mph” could very well be true. I understood that third goes up to 130mph, but the bottom line is that you have to drive the thing like an animal in order to make stellar progress(and to keep up with a normally aspirated Carrera).
The reality is that driving a turbo is "hard work". Driving old porsches is still "slow in, fast out." With a turbo you brake, set the bend, floor it at 2400 rpm, waitwaitwait, hit the apex at 3000 rpm, BOOST, “crickey have we arrived already?” and BRAKE.
The carrera comes on cam at 4200 and due to its 5 speeds and short 2nd and 3rd, you are pretty much "bang on" and accelerate faster in "real world" conditions.
I don't have the numbers of the Turbo 3.3 at hand, but here is a comparison test of the then new Turbo 3.o vs the Carrera 3.o.
The turbo is in my opinion not really a balls-out car: it is a comfy long distance GT. On a European Autobahn you could technically accelerate in second on the sliproad, join the motorway at 85mph, meander through the lorries, put your foot down, redline, third, get some boost, and she will do 150 mph all day long until you have reached your Berlin office. But we live in the United Kingdom, with a speed limit of 70mph. Plently of A roads are restricted to 50 mph.... This car is a bit of a anachronism.
Having said that, the way its suspension works, how it grips the road, the way you can chuck it in a bend and the way this 911 is weighted: pure magic. This driving style is far too risky for a short wheel base 911, which was the original widow maker, but when the turbo 3.3 hit the market with its bigger tie rod ends, different banana arms and 917 derived braking, it is a Porsche Package that feels just right.
Furthermore, the turbo is quiet. The exhaust noise reverberating through the woods of the peak district is a joy in my carrera 3, but the turbo intercooler package quietens things down considerably in the 930.
So, for the moment I'm using the turbo for european long hauls, the Carrera for A and B road chasing.
Take care,
Bert
I've enjoyed this thread but, biased as I am, I have to profess my preference for the 993 shape. A bit more rake to the windscreen, smoother yet rounded lines and that understated BBQ of a spoiler....
OK, so when the roads are dry I wish that it was only RWD, but as it is used regularly to go to work in indeterminate weather, 4WD isn't that much of a hardship!
OK, so when the roads are dry I wish that it was only RWD, but as it is used regularly to go to work in indeterminate weather, 4WD isn't that much of a hardship!
nel said:
I've enjoyed this thread but, biased as I am, I have to profess my preference for the 993 shape. A bit more rake to the windscreen, smoother yet rounded lines and that understated BBQ of a spoiler....
OK, so when the roads are dry I wish that it was only RWD, but as it is used regularly to go to work in indeterminate weather, 4WD isn't that much of a hardship!
Have to say , nice as the 993 is , it doesn't capture the spirit of the 930 .OK, so when the roads are dry I wish that it was only RWD, but as it is used regularly to go to work in indeterminate weather, 4WD isn't that much of a hardship!
The 930 is so iconic , it sits right , looks right ..........in a kinda 80s ""Miami vice "" way
Great Car, Great article, I have a Triple Black one, as a third car, but I can't go 3 days without driving it... (this car is addictive).
I have made a few invisible modifications 5 years ago: 1 Bar turbo boost spring, lightweight competition clutch (free revving engine), upgraded CDI unit & racing ignition wires.(100.000Km and still have the original turbo), the leather is still in very good condition (not a scratch or crack) I have seen many 997 turbos with the side bolsters faded or worn out!!
It is a very reliable car and solid like a tank.
Many porsche drivers with 996 turbos or 997 S are amazed when outdriven or overtaken by my Turbo...
I have made a few invisible modifications 5 years ago: 1 Bar turbo boost spring, lightweight competition clutch (free revving engine), upgraded CDI unit & racing ignition wires.(100.000Km and still have the original turbo), the leather is still in very good condition (not a scratch or crack) I have seen many 997 turbos with the side bolsters faded or worn out!!
It is a very reliable car and solid like a tank.
Many porsche drivers with 996 turbos or 997 S are amazed when outdriven or overtaken by my Turbo...
Those thingies are called "Sharkfins".
They were standard on the 930 as deemed necessary to prevent excessive chipping of the wide rear arches.
This is the press shot:
I just can't stand the things- so I took them off. There was a clever fellow who started marketing sharkfins for carrera bodies cars... which is even more undesirable. My two cents though...
take care,
Bert
They were standard on the 930 as deemed necessary to prevent excessive chipping of the wide rear arches.
This is the press shot:
I just can't stand the things- so I took them off. There was a clever fellow who started marketing sharkfins for carrera bodies cars... which is even more undesirable. My two cents though...
take care,
Bert
My Dad is thinking of selling his 930 3.3 Turbo.
1981 with 56k on the clock. Very good condition overall with slight rust bubble on one front headlight.
Most thing on the car still original - superb car.
We can't work out on how much to sell it for ? About £20k ? Will have 12 month MOT on it.
1981 with 56k on the clock. Very good condition overall with slight rust bubble on one front headlight.
Most thing on the car still original - superb car.
We can't work out on how much to sell it for ? About £20k ? Will have 12 month MOT on it.
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