RE: Porsche Panamera - First UK Drive
Discussion
jellison said:
Heard with VW in charge this FATBOY (and the Cayenne) are going to be BINNED at the end of the production run of each and they are going back to being a SPORTSCAR Manufacturer.
Bloody right to - 1,860kg for the Saloon thing and much for the Lard Arse Posh Surrey Tractors.
Despite the Cayenne being a great money-spinner for Porsche? After all, the world's most profitable car company must be doing something right.Bloody right to - 1,860kg for the Saloon thing and much for the Lard Arse Posh Surrey Tractors.
Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy 
Given that you could conceivably pick up a 944 for less than the price of a decent ipod, I doubt that's the case.Shape Shifter said:
Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy
Given that you could conceivably pick up a 944 for less than the price of a decent ipod, I doubt that's the case.Edited by Silver993tt on Friday 4th September 11:04
Silver993tt said:
Shape Shifter said:
Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy
Given that you could conceivably pick up a 944 for less than the price of a decent ipod, I doubt that's the case.
ewenm said:
Silver993tt said:
Shape Shifter said:
Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy
Given that you could conceivably pick up a 944 for less than the price of a decent ipod, I doubt that's the case.ewenm said:
jellison said:
Heard with VW in charge this FATBOY (and the Cayenne) are going to be BINNED at the end of the production run of each and they are going back to being a SPORTSCAR Manufacturer.
Bloody right to - 1,860kg for the Saloon thing and much for the Lard Arse Posh Surrey Tractors.
Despite the Cayenne being a great money-spinner for Porsche? After all, the world's most profitable car company must be doing something right.Bloody right to - 1,860kg for the Saloon thing and much for the Lard Arse Posh Surrey Tractors.
These lard arse things are what make Porsche look stupid (yep make them alot of cash).
Two Stallions said:
Can anyone point me to a post/journo report where they say the Panamera is good looking, let alone a stunner? 99% of the buying public decide whether they're going to buy purely by the aesthetics, just take the TT as an example!
Well of course a motoring journalist won't say a completely new model is 'good looking', that wouldn't create a story or debate - which is what they are after and looks like they have succeeded in this thread That thing is not a GT car. Its a super saloon the likes of the M5. Is it as good as an M5 though?
If the latest issue of CAR is to belived Ferdinand Piech (grandson to Proff Porsche) is now controlling Porsche and will hopefully kill this car stone dead.
Its ugly, Porsche have used little imagination in its god awful creation.
If the latest issue of CAR is to belived Ferdinand Piech (grandson to Proff Porsche) is now controlling Porsche and will hopefully kill this car stone dead.
Its ugly, Porsche have used little imagination in its god awful creation.
j123 said:
Seems the Germans, the Saudi's and Asians will like this. Ok then...
I rather trusted Mr. Towler's PH (ex-chief road tester at Autocar) review more...
"Gearshifts quicken, suspensions firm up and soon it’s possible to push this limo hard – harder than seems logically possible. Naturally, there’s understeer initially, but with the roads slick following a rain shower, it’s surprisingly easy to feel the rear moving around through the tighter stuff. The trouble is, you really find yourself worrying about taking up so much road space, and the width is constantly on your mind, with regular sharp intakes of breath when a truck comes the other way.
Admirable then, but engaging? Perhaps not. With 395bhp hauling 1,860kg it’s rapid, but there’s the feeling that it’s more noise than stupendous acceleration – worrying when our test car costs nearly £90,000 with extras and with all those 500bhp+ sports saloons existing at up to thirty grand less. The PDK gearbox is generally impressive, but it occasionally gets caught out by rapid shifting near the red line; the gap between second and third gear seems a bit of a hollow and the user interface is still annoying (and back to front). And while you can’t really fault the way the major controls ultimately work, they seem to lack that special quality you’d associate with a Porsche. The steering is okay, but (particularly on those cars equipped with Servotronic steering - which we only found out about after the drive) it’s not especially communicative, while the brakes (carbon on this 4S) grab very quickly and then have quite a long pedal travel. That’s not very Porsche-like....
But at any rate, however impressive it is, at some point you’ve got to park and climb out of it, at which point you re-enter the debate about how it looks, and that – coupled with the way it drives – has so far left me cold. That lack of passion, with that badge on the nose, is as surprising as it is disappointing."
It may not be 911-like, of course, but people seem to be forgetting it's a 2000kgs, 5m saloon car. Perhaps the 911 style cues (or the badge) are colouring expectations here. Accept it for what it is - an uber-barge - and it's a fantastic machine.I rather trusted Mr. Towler's PH (ex-chief road tester at Autocar) review more...
"Gearshifts quicken, suspensions firm up and soon it’s possible to push this limo hard – harder than seems logically possible. Naturally, there’s understeer initially, but with the roads slick following a rain shower, it’s surprisingly easy to feel the rear moving around through the tighter stuff. The trouble is, you really find yourself worrying about taking up so much road space, and the width is constantly on your mind, with regular sharp intakes of breath when a truck comes the other way.
Admirable then, but engaging? Perhaps not. With 395bhp hauling 1,860kg it’s rapid, but there’s the feeling that it’s more noise than stupendous acceleration – worrying when our test car costs nearly £90,000 with extras and with all those 500bhp+ sports saloons existing at up to thirty grand less. The PDK gearbox is generally impressive, but it occasionally gets caught out by rapid shifting near the red line; the gap between second and third gear seems a bit of a hollow and the user interface is still annoying (and back to front). And while you can’t really fault the way the major controls ultimately work, they seem to lack that special quality you’d associate with a Porsche. The steering is okay, but (particularly on those cars equipped with Servotronic steering - which we only found out about after the drive) it’s not especially communicative, while the brakes (carbon on this 4S) grab very quickly and then have quite a long pedal travel. That’s not very Porsche-like....
But at any rate, however impressive it is, at some point you’ve got to park and climb out of it, at which point you re-enter the debate about how it looks, and that – coupled with the way it drives – has so far left me cold. That lack of passion, with that badge on the nose, is as surprising as it is disappointing."
JoePublic said:
Great review, but I'm slightly disturbed by the suggestion that some PHers might be golfers. Apart from the Chim owners of course, we already make allowances for them. 
Golf-playing string-backed-glove-wearing types wander by occasionally; that's why there's a Xantia on the homepage, to ward them off.Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy
a lot of people can afford a 1990s model like you.Edited by Zod on Friday 4th September 15:29
Zod said:
Silver993tt said:
I love these threads because inevitably it attracts those with no experience of ever owning any kind of Porsche product or those that will never be able to afford one, so they're like small kids who can't (or never will) get their toy
a lot of people can afford a 1990s model like you.Edited by Zod on Friday 4th September 15:29
Edited by Silver993tt on Friday 4th September 15:36
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