RE: Skoda Octavia vRS: The Antidote To The MPV
Discussion
Cozzie Bhoy said:
In the article it says it has the engine from the previous generation gti, As far as I'm aware its the same engine as the current gti.
The mk6 gti is a different reworked FSi engine, 210PS & 207lb/ft as opposed to the 197hp lump in the mk5. Its a development of that engine though...And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
Mr Whippy said:
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
Come on, I owned three Peugeots before my BMW, and I actually think BMW drivers are cocks, but I had to get the BMW badge with the Z4, unfortunately
I just think the article suggests if you want to move on from the humdrum MPV, then a dull brisk Skoda isn't really moving the game on very far.
If you HAVE the choice, and want something to put some fire into your automotive life, an S4 V8, RS4 2.7 TT or even an old Volvo T5R will be far more thrilling and interesting than those vRS Skoda things.
Sorry to say it, but every single one I have been in has left me cold. I was genuinely impressed by the speed, refinement, performance, polish of the power delivery etc, but I got out and thought "hmmm, that was a perfectly average experience with no defining moment"
That to me is why they are crap. Sorry to say it, sorry to offend those who have them, but they are painfully bland. I honestly think people get lulled into their appeal of being a bit good at everything, and forget what an interesting car is like. It is insidious.
Dave
I just think the article suggests if you want to move on from the humdrum MPV, then a dull brisk Skoda isn't really moving the game on very far.
If you HAVE the choice, and want something to put some fire into your automotive life, an S4 V8, RS4 2.7 TT or even an old Volvo T5R will be far more thrilling and interesting than those vRS Skoda things.
Sorry to say it, but every single one I have been in has left me cold. I was genuinely impressed by the speed, refinement, performance, polish of the power delivery etc, but I got out and thought "hmmm, that was a perfectly average experience with no defining moment"
That to me is why they are crap. Sorry to say it, sorry to offend those who have them, but they are painfully bland. I honestly think people get lulled into their appeal of being a bit good at everything, and forget what an interesting car is like. It is insidious.
Dave
Cupramax said:
Cozzie Bhoy said:
In the article it says it has the engine from the previous generation gti, As far as I'm aware its the same engine as the current gti.
The mk6 gti is a different reworked FSi engine, 210PS & 207lb/ft as opposed to the 197hp lump in the mk5. Its a development of that engine though...Mr Whippy said:
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
(1) pay to get your cars repaired/serviced?
(2) Have you ever driven the length of the country (over 8 hours) just to commute to your job??
(3) Do you have ANY understanding of the importance of mechanical reliability and the consequences of failure at "high" speed and in "all" weathers???
Doesn't sound like you do. Sorry.
MoJo.
Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 14th September 17:48
I have an '06 vRS (petrol) in race blue.
Now I understand what some on here are saying about them not being exciting. In a way, there's an element of truth in that. It doesn't excite me in the same way my old Clio 182 did, but then it's 1400kgs, which is a lot to wang about. However, it does shift when it wants to and behaves very well right up to the limit of grip.
As others have said also, a simple remap sees 240bhp straight away. I'd still rather have one over a poverty spec 3 series (of which the interiors really aren't that great).
Now I understand what some on here are saying about them not being exciting. In a way, there's an element of truth in that. It doesn't excite me in the same way my old Clio 182 did, but then it's 1400kgs, which is a lot to wang about. However, it does shift when it wants to and behaves very well right up to the limit of grip.
As others have said also, a simple remap sees 240bhp straight away. I'd still rather have one over a poverty spec 3 series (of which the interiors really aren't that great).
My wife has a 56 plate diesel , all round nice package , feels little sporty does 500miles on a tank and has been pretty much trouble free for 55k just about to go out of warranty so will be tuned a little now hoping for 200hp
As for having a nasty interior i think there is a lot worse out there
As for having a nasty interior i think there is a lot worse out there
Mojocvh said:
Mr Whippy said:
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
(1) pay to get your cars repaired/serviced?
(2) Have you ever driven the length of the country (over 8 hours) just to commute to your job??
(3) Do you have ANY understanding of the importance of mechanical reliability and the consequences of failure at "high" speed and in "all" weathers???
Doesn't sound like you do. Sorry.
MoJo.
Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 14th September 17:48
I've paid to have work done on cars. I have no idea why that matters in my example.
8hr commute in a brand new petrol car? I'd have an old diesel with 100k on it already, or get on a train, not destroy the residual value (at huge cost) of a BRAND NEW PETROL.
Mechanical failure at high speed and in all weathers? WHAT are you talking about? Does a 2004 S4 now explode in the rain at high speed, and a 2009 Skoda Octavia VRS not?
I really don't get your point. It sounds like you are saying old cars are unreliable, which is, err, wrong. I've had new and old cars alike and they have both been give or take as reliable as each other. That is why we do this thing called, "preventative maintainance", or "repairs", or "servicing"
The amount of people I know taking cars in to say BMW under warranty for fixes suggests new cars in warranty have plenty of reason to let you down too!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
Mojocvh said:
Mr Whippy said:
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
(1) pay to get your cars repaired/serviced?
(2) Have you ever driven the length of the country (over 8 hours) just to commute to your job??
(3) Do you have ANY understanding of the importance of mechanical reliability and the consequences of failure at "high" speed and in "all" weathers???
Doesn't sound like you do. Sorry.
MoJo.
Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 14th September 17:48
I've paid to have work done on cars. I have no idea why that matters in my example.
8hr commute in a brand new petrol car? I'd have an old diesel with 100k on it already, or get on a train, not destroy the residual value (at huge cost) of a BRAND NEW PETROL.
Mechanical failure at high speed and in all weathers? WHAT are you talking about? Does a 2004 S4 now explode in the rain at high speed, and a 2009 Skoda Octavia VRS not?
I really don't get your point. It sounds like you are saying old cars are unreliable, which is, err, wrong. I've had new and old cars alike and they have both been give or take as reliable as each other. That is why we do this thing called, "preventative maintainance", or "repairs", or "servicing"
The amount of people I know taking cars in to say BMW under warranty for fixes suggests new cars in warranty have plenty of reason to let you down too!
Dave
My Dad has has 2 - both the original MK1 1.8t and the later MK2 2.0T. Both as company cars for 3 years, both driven pretty hard, plenty town driving, never washed, serviced away from the main dealers.
None of these cars put a foot wrong and they both required nothing but boggo Asda petrol and the odd oil topup between services (as with a lot of VAG cars). If you drive them nice you will easily get over 30mpg. Left driving as sweet as the day they arrived.
My Dad had NO interest in cars at all (previous car at the time a 1.4 base spec Renault Scenic) and only got persuaded into his first by me winging and moaning for weeks! The mk1 was a bargain at the time, mk2 less so. Needless to say however he went straight out and bought the MK2 after the lease was up for the first which says a lot!
For the price they are hard to beat for quality, performance and space. Slag the seats if you want but most people that had a lift commented that the interior was smart. Buy a secondhand RS4 if you want but it would cost a heap more to run in the long run and not everyone wants a 9 year old car regardless of what it is. Skoda are always high up in the satisfaction surveys. Interiors are not much worse than the VW alternative and much better than Seat.
As others have said you are looking at approx 210hp for the 1.8t and 240hp for the 2.0tfsi with just a generic remap... Debadge the boot and they can be quite anonymous.
If I was looking for a Golf GTI with a massive boot then this is what I would go for.
None of these cars put a foot wrong and they both required nothing but boggo Asda petrol and the odd oil topup between services (as with a lot of VAG cars). If you drive them nice you will easily get over 30mpg. Left driving as sweet as the day they arrived.
My Dad had NO interest in cars at all (previous car at the time a 1.4 base spec Renault Scenic) and only got persuaded into his first by me winging and moaning for weeks! The mk1 was a bargain at the time, mk2 less so. Needless to say however he went straight out and bought the MK2 after the lease was up for the first which says a lot!
For the price they are hard to beat for quality, performance and space. Slag the seats if you want but most people that had a lift commented that the interior was smart. Buy a secondhand RS4 if you want but it would cost a heap more to run in the long run and not everyone wants a 9 year old car regardless of what it is. Skoda are always high up in the satisfaction surveys. Interiors are not much worse than the VW alternative and much better than Seat.
As others have said you are looking at approx 210hp for the 1.8t and 240hp for the 2.0tfsi with just a generic remap... Debadge the boot and they can be quite anonymous.
If I was looking for a Golf GTI with a massive boot then this is what I would go for.
An RS4, if the gods are smiling on you, might be cheaper than the Octavia over three years, all things taken into account, although if you're under 40 you better hope you're on very good terms with your broker when you decide to go for a group 20 theft and vandal magnet 
Pounds shillings and pence analysis also ignores the value to many of simply going to the dealership and paying a modest amount for servicing once a year, when set against hunting down a decent specialist, spending time on the web researching niggly faults, and living with the constant threat of something really expensive going bang - no small issue on any RS.
Pounds shillings and pence analysis also ignores the value to many of simply going to the dealership and paying a modest amount for servicing once a year, when set against hunting down a decent specialist, spending time on the web researching niggly faults, and living with the constant threat of something really expensive going bang - no small issue on any RS.
jamoor said:
Mr Whippy said:
Mojocvh said:
Mr Whippy said:
Bullett said:
And an RS4 is how much?
This Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1093636.htmThis Skoda ticks all the boxes for me. An RS4 is a better car but this is new, cheap and quick enough in the real world. An RS is too expensive or too old, an S4 is better but still expensive or too old.
For most people, these have plenty of power for day to day duties.
Good deal as well for new ones, no VAT, and 0% if you have 50% deposit.
RS4, £15,000. I guess you'd get a good one for that money.
Residually strong, as you can see by the price for a nigh on 9 year old car. I wouldn't really say they are 'too old' though. They are of the modern era with all the toys you would really want.
The Skoda will be worth £15,000 in a year, so £4000 down.
Ok, the Skoda will be 'new', but the RS4 would have to spectacularly blow up every year to cost just what the Skoda does in depreciation I would imagine.
It's 2001, so old tax bracket, but has nearly 400bhp and awd, and makes it useable.
That Skoda isn't really anything fantastic, and as said, they are pretty damn dull.
Lets put it this way. If you think the Skoda makes better sense as an antidote to humdrum spacious motoring for the enthusiast, then you are not an enthusiast
Cripes, you can even get a 2004 S4 V8 with 340bhp for £15,000 now, and have £4000 for fuel and insurance extra which will last you three years, by which time the Skoda will be worthless because it's so average, and in which time the Audi will likely be worth more!
Fine for company car owners who don't have much choice, but that Skoda is just a bit average for someone wanting something fun for their £19,000 of cash, considering the fantastic VAG group products with big capacity (estates) out there for less cash but tons more go etc!
Dave
Edited by Mr Whippy on Monday 14th September 17:06
(1) pay to get your cars repaired/serviced?
(2) Have you ever driven the length of the country (over 8 hours) just to commute to your job??
(3) Do you have ANY understanding of the importance of mechanical reliability and the consequences of failure at "high" speed and in "all" weathers???
Doesn't sound like you do. Sorry.
MoJo.
Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 14th September 17:48
I've paid to have work done on cars. I have no idea why that matters in my example.
8hr commute in a brand new petrol car? I'd have an old diesel with 100k on it already, or get on a train, not destroy the residual value (at huge cost) of a BRAND NEW PETROL.
Mechanical failure at high speed and in all weathers? WHAT are you talking about? Does a 2004 S4 now explode in the rain at high speed, and a 2009 Skoda Octavia VRS not?
I really don't get your point. It sounds like you are saying old cars are unreliable, which is, err, wrong. I've had new and old cars alike and they have both been give or take as reliable as each other. That is why we do this thing called, "preventative maintainance", or "repairs", or "servicing"
The amount of people I know taking cars in to say BMW under warranty for fixes suggests new cars in warranty have plenty of reason to let you down too!
Dave
Old diesel cruiser for that kinda work, not a brand new petrol car
Or have ALL the reps in the UK got it wrong with their low-power diesels?!
I have no idea why an eight hour commute was brought up in this arguement, probably because it was a long shot to try make a poor arguement come good.
IF you don't want a boring MPV, a Skoda Octavia isn't exactly going to excite your life as a roomy alternative!
If you have the choice to have what you want, you'd be better buying an older more interesting estate car, not a duller brand new one!
Simple arguement, not sure why it's a problem.
Dave
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