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NinjaPower said:
As much as I hate to knock anyone, that thing is truly horrific and I would be embarrassed to be drive it in public and be seen.
The problem is, even to the casual observer it looks like it was badly built by someone, at home, using basic tools, and who has no experience of this kind of work.
I'm fairly certain from looking at the chassis photos and the quality of steel and welding, that it isn't in the slightest bit safe to drive on a road.
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I can only suggest you don't bid on my car! I would hate to see you that embarrassed, when you know what you are talking about someone might listen!The problem is, even to the casual observer it looks like it was badly built by someone, at home, using basic tools, and who has no experience of this kind of work.
I'm fairly certain from looking at the chassis photos and the quality of steel and welding, that it isn't in the slightest bit safe to drive on a road.
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killerferret666 said:
First of all, don't get me wrong as I said I respect the achievement and that photo does look good but it can be the finer details that make the difference and the IVA is a different beast.
Rear visibility without an interior mirror again, I cant believe the mirrors at that height will pass, this is what I had to do see over a rear and see all visibility. different car but because of the design same in principal because you have no interior mirror. You'll notice my indicators are similar to yours as well at the front under the headlights, mine failed on visibility. Lovely mirrors arent they!
Securing cabling etc... I took photos to show the tester or you will need to strip things back to show him, stuff like this do you have photos like this for the buyer?
I apologise I was not referring to your post, you actually know what you are talking about, sadly it seems the trolls don't, and it takes a very brave and BIG man to ridicule someone on the internet..nicktruman said:
I have read the manual! The bottom of the headlights are just 500mm from the deck, I started securing the brake lines but that job needs finishing around the callipers, and the wiring loom is VERY secure and bound nicely.
I have fitted radiused edging to all external ridges, so there are no sharp edges.
Those sidelights and probably lights are no way at 500mm from the ground. (I had similar issues) Your wheels are 19" and ill say 1" tyre wall around, or in mm 508mm. This means the bottom of any of the front lights must at least level with the top of the metal part of the wheel to be 500mm. this image below shows they are no where near.I have fitted radiused edging to all external ridges, so there are no sharp edges.
Rear visibility without an interior mirror again, I cant believe the mirrors at that height will pass, this is what I had to do see over a rear and see all visibility. different car but because of the design same in principal because you have no interior mirror. You'll notice my indicators are similar to yours as well at the front under the headlights, mine failed on visibility. Lovely mirrors arent they!
Securing cabling etc... I took photos to show the tester or you will need to strip things back to show him, stuff like this do you have photos like this for the buyer?
nicktruman said:
The body work is smooth, as i have said there are a few parts of the car I was never happy with, compounded by the work of chap I hired to finish the body off, whose tool of choice was an angle grinder with a 5" sanding disk. Its taken me 2 years to indo the damage he did. However, I don't like the front and the side air intake pods. The body is hand made, not from moulds, I made the chassis, made a wooden buck and covered that with polystyrene and the plaster, and sanded it all down. The GRP was laid over that. If I were to do it again, I would have done it better. The cockpit was made using a mould and is perfectly smooth and has no ripples.
As you have no moulds etc... its actually good it fits together but the finish is everything and as you say you can tell the difference. In person someone may feel it can be brought up to a flatter finish, but as it wasnt a mould piece I cant fault what you have because it would never be like a normal kit.nicktruman said:
Mechanically its lovely, the megasquirt works perfectly, using EDIS 8 and twin ford coil packs, I decided not to use the Audi COPs. Boost is limited to 1 bar and fans mounted under the Mazda intercoolers suck air through the black scoops to keep the charge cool.
The car drives and handles really nicely, acceleration is vicious, much more aggressive than anything I have ever been in. I have not driven the V8 hard at all, but the twin turbo V12 was something else.
Megasquirt is a good learning ECU but tuning a map in is always better, uprated fuel pump, wide band and on a dyno so you know what's going on. Again its running and for that you should be pleased.The car drives and handles really nicely, acceleration is vicious, much more aggressive than anything I have ever been in. I have not driven the V8 hard at all, but the twin turbo V12 was something else.
nicktruman said:
I guess making something inspired by a Zonda was always going to be a controversial project, if it was a perfect copy, i would probably receive even more haters than i get now. But it was never meant to be a copy, i like the shape of the Zonda, and its my version of a nice looking car. I made it just for something to do with my kids.
If you like cars , I really don't know how anyone can say this picture doesn't look nice? When the new paint has been completely flattened and polished it should look even better (IMHO).
99% of cars are never liked by everyone, but the fact you did with your kids makes it worth while for you. Whoever buys this has a massive task on their hands to get this on the road if it wasn't a massive task you'd just test it and it would improve its value loads. I saw in a thread I read yesterday you said you re-did the welds, because if you didn't I think they would fail if I'm honest my tester checked the welds on mine.If you like cars , I really don't know how anyone can say this picture doesn't look nice? When the new paint has been completely flattened and polished it should look even better (IMHO).
Anyway..
The headlights are 56cm to the bottom of the lens.
The side lights are not, and I was not aware that.
Rear view, the car has a hi def rear view camera with the monitor on the rear view mirror. The mirrors are the same height as the TT. I did fit correct Zonda wing mirrors, but took them off as they are not internally adjustable.
I have already said I don't like the front or the side pods. If i did it again, who know
The car has a wideband O2 sensor, it has never been on a rolling road though. locally there is no one who does the megasquirt! Tuned correctly you can get a lot of power from a MS, and the Autotune does set you on a good course.
tonne of work? I'm not sure, a number of car builders have been to my house and viewed the car, I guess they are some of the 572 people watching the auction, only one tyre kicker said anything negative. All of the loved the car in the flesh. Prior to the auction a mate did a mock MOT is failed on an indicator having lost its orange coat, speedo not working and a few other bits. Structurally its solid, I strengthened the front wishbones, and added extra bracing to the front and rear suspension mounts. This is what I was talking about in the thread you have mentioned.
As for photos, I have millions!
I used to weld for a living when i was a mechanic, i kind of know how to do that
I worked in the automobile industry for many many years, including a wonderful place called the British Internal Combustion Engine Research Institute, (BICERI), so engines, cars are in my blood.nicktruman said:
I can only suggest you don't bid on my car! I would hate to see you that embarrassed, when you know what you are talking about someone might listen!
You don't need me to bid on it as I have no doubt the car will sell. I note it has already received a couple of bids.I don't think anyone is deliberately being a 'troll' as you put it, they are merely expressing their personal opinion on the build quality and finish of your car.
No one here on PH is against home made cars at all, have a flick through this thread and see everyone's enthusiasm for a different car being built by an amateur in his garage: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130...
NinjaPower said:
You don't need me to bid on it as I have no doubt the car will sell. I note it has already received a couple of bids.
I don't think anyone is deliberately being a 'troll' as you put it, they are merely expressing their personal opinion on the build quality and finish of your car.
No one here on PH is against home made cars at all, have a flick through this thread and see everyone's enthusiasm for a different car being built by an amateur in his garage: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130...
Yep, that's your right, and its cool and funny (not). You have no idea as to the build quality of my car, so you have no right to express an opinion on something you have no knowledge of. By all means come over to my house and have a look at it.I don't think anyone is deliberately being a 'troll' as you put it, they are merely expressing their personal opinion on the build quality and finish of your car.
No one here on PH is against home made cars at all, have a flick through this thread and see everyone's enthusiasm for a different car being built by an amateur in his garage: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=130...
nicktruman said:
I apologise I was not referring to your post, you actually know what you are talking about, sadly it seems the trolls don't, and it takes a very brave and BIG man to ridicule someone on the internet..
Anyway..
The headlights are 56cm to the bottom of the lens.
The side lights are not, and I was not aware that.
Rear view, the car has a hi def rear view camera with the monitor on the rear view mirror. The mirrors are the same height as the TT. I did fit correct Zonda wing mirrors, but took them off as they are not internally adjustable.
I have already said I don't like the front or the side pods. If i did it again, who know
The car has a wideband O2 sensor, it has never been on a rolling road though. locally there is no one who does the megasquirt! Tuned correctly you can get a lot of power from a MS, and the Autotune does set you on a good course.
tonne of work? I'm not sure, a number of car builders have been to my house and viewed the car, I guess they are some of the 572 people watching the auction, only one tyre kicker said anything negative. All of the loved the car in the flesh. Prior to the auction a mate did a mock MOT is failed on an indicator having lost its orange coat, speedo not working and a few other bits. Structurally its solid, I strengthened the front wishbones, and added extra bracing to the front and rear suspension mounts. This is what I was talking about in the thread you have mentioned.
As for photos, I have millions!
I used to weld for a living when i was a mechanic, i kind of know how to do that I worked in the automobile industry for many many years, including a wonderful place called the British Internal Combustion Engine Research Institute, (BICERI), so engines, cars are in my blood.
No need to apologise, everyone gets defensive when something they spent a lot of time and effort on gets criticised, I know I do.Anyway..
The headlights are 56cm to the bottom of the lens.
The side lights are not, and I was not aware that.
Rear view, the car has a hi def rear view camera with the monitor on the rear view mirror. The mirrors are the same height as the TT. I did fit correct Zonda wing mirrors, but took them off as they are not internally adjustable.
I have already said I don't like the front or the side pods. If i did it again, who know
The car has a wideband O2 sensor, it has never been on a rolling road though. locally there is no one who does the megasquirt! Tuned correctly you can get a lot of power from a MS, and the Autotune does set you on a good course.
tonne of work? I'm not sure, a number of car builders have been to my house and viewed the car, I guess they are some of the 572 people watching the auction, only one tyre kicker said anything negative. All of the loved the car in the flesh. Prior to the auction a mate did a mock MOT is failed on an indicator having lost its orange coat, speedo not working and a few other bits. Structurally its solid, I strengthened the front wishbones, and added extra bracing to the front and rear suspension mounts. This is what I was talking about in the thread you have mentioned.
As for photos, I have millions!
I used to weld for a living when i was a mechanic, i kind of know how to do that
I worked in the automobile industry for many many years, including a wonderful place called the British Internal Combustion Engine Research Institute, (BICERI), so engines, cars are in my blood.The sidelight issue could be got around by cutting a hole in the bodywork to move it up for the test, blanking plate over current hole and then putting it back down and filling the old hole after. fair bit of work.
I've got a rear view camera as well but it wasn't allowed to supplement the rear view unfortunately so didnt fit it till afterwards. Also you don't need to be able to adjust the mirrors from the driving seat if they will snap back into position a bit like a normal ford Ka wing mirror would. The difference with the TT is it doesn't have a scoop sticking up and has a rear view centre mirror. My mirrors only just did the job.
Megasquirts are used relatively commonly on kit cars so I see no problem with that, I just know a tune by a professional is the best option...if you can find one! You'd probably need it tuned anyway to pass the emissions test as well which would be a CAT test unless you can prove the age of the engine (V5 doesn't prove this unfortunately) as the autotune will probably keep it relatively rich for safety.
Welding is not my thing, I'd be shocking so didn't do any of it myself, if you've strengthened pieces that's good. But I do still stand by there is a lot of work there to do to get it to pass. I'd love to be proved wrong but I just cant see it after what I had to do to get through it. Fog light has to be 100mm away from any tail / brake light if its a separate light unit so again have to remove current one plate it and attach another. its all those little things they keep adding up in time.
To be honest none of it matters if the buyer is happy with the work and challenge that's left in the project then that's all that matters.
My offer is open for anyone to come and have a look at it (until it goes)..
I had a bit of an event with the local police a while ago when i was out in my Ferrari, seeing the road in front of me was empty, excellent visibility for miles and no obstructions i buried the throttle and let the Ferrari do what it is good at....
I didn't see a cop car parked in a pub carpark behind me though, anyway they tried to catch me and failed, but as i was only a mile from my house they drove round, comments like, we were doing 90 and you were pulling away like we were stationary, how many points do you have etc, etc.. then they asked me where i had been, i told them i had been to buy some valve seals for the Zonda's V8, they were intrigued, so i opened the garage and they loved the car, really really loved the car, in the end they stayed for nearly an hour talking cars.. As for driving too fast, it wasn't mentioned again..
The same two policemen have been round a few times to check out the car.
I had a bit of an event with the local police a while ago when i was out in my Ferrari, seeing the road in front of me was empty, excellent visibility for miles and no obstructions i buried the throttle and let the Ferrari do what it is good at....
I didn't see a cop car parked in a pub carpark behind me though, anyway they tried to catch me and failed, but as i was only a mile from my house they drove round, comments like, we were doing 90 and you were pulling away like we were stationary, how many points do you have etc, etc.. then they asked me where i had been, i told them i had been to buy some valve seals for the Zonda's V8, they were intrigued, so i opened the garage and they loved the car, really really loved the car, in the end they stayed for nearly an hour talking cars.. As for driving too fast, it wasn't mentioned again..
The same two policemen have been round a few times to check out the car.
Edited by nicktruman on Wednesday 14th January 16:31
Edited by nicktruman on Wednesday 14th January 17:42
This thread (obviously) won't go anywhere. It is obvious that not everyone has the same standards. If you go to certain places in the world you will realise that to some people an abysmally built house is just perfect. Chucking garbage out in the streets is OK too, and driving while not respecting any laws at all is the norm. It's just OK.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
996TT02 said:
This thread (obviously) won't go anywhere. It is obvious that not everyone has the same standards. If you go to certain places in the world you will realise that to some people an abysmally built house is just perfect. Chucking garbage out in the streets is OK too, and driving while not respecting any laws at all is the norm. It's just OK.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
As I said Troll!The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
nicktruman said:
996TT02 said:
This thread (obviously) won't go anywhere. It is obvious that not everyone has the same standards. If you go to certain places in the world you will realise that to some people an abysmally built house is just perfect. Chucking garbage out in the streets is OK too, and driving while not respecting any laws at all is the norm. It's just OK.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
As I said Troll!The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
nicktruman said:
996TT02 said:
This thread (obviously) won't go anywhere. It is obvious that not everyone has the same standards. If you go to certain places in the world you will realise that to some people an abysmally built house is just perfect. Chucking garbage out in the streets is OK too, and driving while not respecting any laws at all is the norm. It's just OK.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
As I said Troll!The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
Am I a troll?
I've already said I respect what you've achieved, because I'm restoring a '70s Stingray and I know the commitment even a "simple" project like mine takes, but you have to be honest with yourself about your own project. You're disappointed with the bodywork. Well imagine how it looks to strangers based on your photos. Imagine how the glue bonding the rear quarterlight windows looks from the photos. (Hint: It looks like the Airfix models I made when I was 8.) Imagine how the claims of outrageous performance look when you also admit you haven't yet got it road-legal and driven it extensively in the UK on UK roads in the real world. Imagine how your blasé approach to the IVA comes across, despite the constructive input from someone who's actually been through it himself.
I'm not trolling. Genuinely. You seem like an honest guy, but as I said in an earlier post you give the impression of total disbelief that your project could appear anything other than wonderful to a bunch of petrolheads. A reality check is needed, and I suspect that your eBay auction (if you remove the shill bids) may just give you that. But good luck!
I must be a troll too as that thing looks absolutely abysmal.
Cars tend to look better in pictures than they do in the metal, which doesn't bode well for what we see here.
How many cars have you looked at in the classifieds, poured over the photographs, thought that it looks perfect, turned up to view and it's immediately obvious it's a lemon. Dents, dings, rust, panel gaps, missing trim whatever the issue this stuff doesn't show up so well in the owners photographs.
The fact this car looks so appalling in the photographs tells me it will look ten times worse up close, and no I'm not going to waste my time coming to view it.
It's nothing to do with the fact it's Zonda inspired, although a little ironic that one of the worlds most beautifuly built cars with a fastidious attention to detail has inspired one of the worst.
Cars tend to look better in pictures than they do in the metal, which doesn't bode well for what we see here.
How many cars have you looked at in the classifieds, poured over the photographs, thought that it looks perfect, turned up to view and it's immediately obvious it's a lemon. Dents, dings, rust, panel gaps, missing trim whatever the issue this stuff doesn't show up so well in the owners photographs.
The fact this car looks so appalling in the photographs tells me it will look ten times worse up close, and no I'm not going to waste my time coming to view it.
It's nothing to do with the fact it's Zonda inspired, although a little ironic that one of the worlds most beautifuly built cars with a fastidious attention to detail has inspired one of the worst.
Edited by Roberty on Wednesday 14th January 20:47
nicktruman said:
996TT02 said:
This thread (obviously) won't go anywhere. It is obvious that not everyone has the same standards. If you go to certain places in the world you will realise that to some people an abysmally built house is just perfect. Chucking garbage out in the streets is OK too, and driving while not respecting any laws at all is the norm. It's just OK.
The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
As I said Troll!The builder of this car has his own standards. For many of us, they are abysmal, but to him, they are fine.
You may genuinely think the car is of a decent standard in your eyes, but others will look at it and think it is terrible.
People just have different standards and that's fine, but to simply call everyone a troll just because they have higher standards of build quality than yourself is just grossly immature.
nicktruman said:
I agree with the starting price, but I honestly don't know where to start! I don't trust ebay as people leave to the last 30 seconds to bid. If it doesn't sell I'll just lower the price, as soon as you mention the word "offer" in the advert ebay block the auction.
There are no carpets - true, the roofline was made to fit me, it is the same height as the Zonda, however because the front screen is not as steeply raked it does make the cockpit appear a bit high. The panels are flat, but hand laid, not using moulds or bucks - and it certainly wasn't cheap.
It has been on the road, albeit in the Middle East, it was tested and passed for driving on the Bahrain F1 circuit (although I never did).
The one part of the car I don't like is the bonnet, it feels heavy and I don't like the shape, but the rest is nice, OK not Pagani perfect..
The engine was just cold and isn't burning oil, the turbos are brand new so they might be blowing a bit through the seals.
Its odd, on all the websites the car is on, and from all the 100s of people that have seen the car and seen it evolve, the only criticism comes from pistonheads. Even Pagani has given me the thumbs up!
Hi Nick, just so that you realise where I am coming from here I have a bit of a reputation on PH for being a Pagani geek and am often called upon by Pagani owners and potential owners to give advice on particular cars or Pagani in general. As a matter of fact I count myself very privileged to have a personal relationship with the Pagani Factory. In addition I have built show winning cars for nearly 30 years so know good engineering and body work when I see it.There are no carpets - true, the roofline was made to fit me, it is the same height as the Zonda, however because the front screen is not as steeply raked it does make the cockpit appear a bit high. The panels are flat, but hand laid, not using moulds or bucks - and it certainly wasn't cheap.
It has been on the road, albeit in the Middle East, it was tested and passed for driving on the Bahrain F1 circuit (although I never did).
The one part of the car I don't like is the bonnet, it feels heavy and I don't like the shape, but the rest is nice, OK not Pagani perfect..
The engine was just cold and isn't burning oil, the turbos are brand new so they might be blowing a bit through the seals.
Its odd, on all the websites the car is on, and from all the 100s of people that have seen the car and seen it evolve, the only criticism comes from pistonheads. Even Pagani has given me the thumbs up!
I have examined your videos and photos as best as possible and I commend you for the effort you have put in, but I am afraid the quality of your bodywork does not stack up to any kind of critical analysis. The reflections tell the whole story. If we take the rear black panel as an example (black being the colour most likely to show bad body and paint work) no consistent reflection is visible, you just see wave after wave. Your swage and shut lines are very inconsistent and your proportions are all wrong.
You said no moulds were used, to be honest this is not an excuse. It is still possible to get an excellent finish as long as you are willing to put in the time and the effort. Many excellent custom built cars have been produced this way. As an example of the time involved to produce good work it took me four months working every day for six hours a day to produce a showing winning paint job and that did not include all the metal work before hand.
You also said that those that have seen it in the flesh have been impressed, to be honest I would question their eye site or how honest they were being with you. If you want to see how it should be done then check on the web for the guy who hand built a Lamborghini Countach in his basement or the other chap that built a McLaren F1 replica.
If you truly believe the criticism you have received on here is unjustified then to help your case and us could you please publish some large format HD pictures to prove your case. I would be happy to retract everything I have said if you could show me that evidence.
Edited by Streetrod on Wednesday 14th January 20:41
Stop the troll calling.
If this was your sons school class project then I'd give it 8 out of 10.
Using this picture on you ad could be a bit misleading.
But the statement by it:
"This is the chassis I copied to make the car, the only difference was the roll bar over the cockpit. I removed that when I trimmed the cabin as it took up too much room. It is made from 1.5" tube steel and is very light and strong."
Is it just the 4 x 1.5 tubes holding the front of the car to the rear?
The number of watchers on Ebay doesn't mean there are lots of people about to make last minutes bids in order to be the proud owner.
I'm not sure what you'll get for it, I suspect about 10 years.
If this was your sons school class project then I'd give it 8 out of 10.
Using this picture on you ad could be a bit misleading.
But the statement by it:
"This is the chassis I copied to make the car, the only difference was the roll bar over the cockpit. I removed that when I trimmed the cabin as it took up too much room. It is made from 1.5" tube steel and is very light and strong."
Is it just the 4 x 1.5 tubes holding the front of the car to the rear?
The number of watchers on Ebay doesn't mean there are lots of people about to make last minutes bids in order to be the proud owner.
I'm not sure what you'll get for it, I suspect about 10 years.
I'm sorry, but this must be the worst car I've ever seen - the finish is truly shocking.......and tbh I would expect better from the kids at school..
this car is worth nothing, it will never get an mot nor be road legal without serious money being spent on it.......and it would still look s
t.
you might not like It , but it looks st , its been built badly ,....and as someone else said stevie wonder could do a better job.
deluded
this car is worth nothing, it will never get an mot nor be road legal without serious money being spent on it.......and it would still look s
t.you might not like It , but it looks s
t , its been built badly ,....and as someone else said stevie wonder could do a better job.deluded
Incomprehensible, isn't it?
I recall interviewing a guy who wanted to join our web development team.
His "portfolio" comprised several horrific websites that were almost literally falling to pieces, displaying extreme carelessness, spelling mistakes, unfinished, not working properly, the works. Read a book on web design today, and you the average person would do much, much better tomorrow.
A woman came along for an admin job. She stank to high heaven, looked like a tramp, and presented her CV on a single sheet of pink paper pulled out of her pocket (no envelope) and which was full of grammatical and spelling errors and errors I don't even call errors - stuff like lack of spacing between some words, lack of caps at the beginning of sentences, anyway, just like something a careless 7 year old would post on Facebook. Pure apathy on paper. And in person. But presumably this was perfectly OK to her.
My only experience of an African country is limited to Egypt. I could write a lot about that country, but I'll restrict myself to just one observation that is typical. Supposedly 4 star hotel in Tahrir Square (that's prime downtown Cairo, where the Egyptian Museum is).
The bathroom sink strainer (? - that bit that prevents your belongings going down the drain) had gone AWOL at some point. Solution, not to purchase a replacement for pennies, but fashion a piece of metal sheet perhaps cut out of the base of a tin can - with holes made in it very evidently using a nail and hammer.
Yes, they are out there.
And sometimes they build cars.
I recall interviewing a guy who wanted to join our web development team.
His "portfolio" comprised several horrific websites that were almost literally falling to pieces, displaying extreme carelessness, spelling mistakes, unfinished, not working properly, the works. Read a book on web design today, and you the average person would do much, much better tomorrow.
A woman came along for an admin job. She stank to high heaven, looked like a tramp, and presented her CV on a single sheet of pink paper pulled out of her pocket (no envelope) and which was full of grammatical and spelling errors and errors I don't even call errors - stuff like lack of spacing between some words, lack of caps at the beginning of sentences, anyway, just like something a careless 7 year old would post on Facebook. Pure apathy on paper. And in person. But presumably this was perfectly OK to her.
My only experience of an African country is limited to Egypt. I could write a lot about that country, but I'll restrict myself to just one observation that is typical. Supposedly 4 star hotel in Tahrir Square (that's prime downtown Cairo, where the Egyptian Museum is).
The bathroom sink strainer (? - that bit that prevents your belongings going down the drain) had gone AWOL at some point. Solution, not to purchase a replacement for pennies, but fashion a piece of metal sheet perhaps cut out of the base of a tin can - with holes made in it very evidently using a nail and hammer.
Yes, they are out there.
And sometimes they build cars.
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