RE: Mugen Civic Type-R Confirmed

[Lord Flathead]

It's a Civic.. no matter how much you jolly it up it's still a £38,000 Honda Civic.

[Buzzkill]

Be interested to see some statistics on the Mugen RR FD2 vs the Mugen RR FN2?

[raywn]

SonicHedgeHog said:

If I am going to go fast I want to have to work the gearbox and rev the nuts off the engine. And I want an engine and gearbox that rewards that kind of driving.

I agree with this very much. I have a Celica T sport which although not as good an engine and drivetrain as the Civic, has a very familiar style when driven fast....... rev the nuts off it.

I find when pushing on that the Celica isn't really fast and if it wasn't for the fun way in which the power is delivered I would have changed to something with more torque and power again.

Saying that though, my BMW M Coupe (s54) was NA, albeit a bit bigger (3.2 straight6) and that delivers a lot more torque much earlier in the rev range but still pulls harder right to the red line (8,000rpm) but doesn't have the on/off feel like the VTEC/high cam lift engines in the Type-R and Celica 190.

Edited by raywn on Monday 26th October 16:38

[raywn]

vz-r_dave said:

I disagree with FI for the next type R. I just do not see it happening. If it is the case I dont think they will call it a type R.

Most people would have said the same about BMW M cars, but it looks like the next M3 is going to go back from a V8 to 6cylinders with FI.

[RobCrezz]

Sounds good, just a shame it cost so much!

Half that price and it might have been competitive.

[dnatuner]

vz-r_dave said:

dnatuner said:

vz-r_dave said:

dnatuner said:

£38,599, this must be a clerical error! who ever buys one needs their head testing, would be better off buying a standard type R and go on a shopping spree for a TTS Performance supercharger kit, 380mm brembo's, set of coilovers and some snazzy recaro's and still have change for a second car.

Edited by dnatuner on Thursday 22 October 15:44

Your missing the point of this entirely, did you read the article? The car is going to be a custom fit to the buyers requirements. Not some chavved up civic with a super charger.

Besides its keeping with Honda's NA philosopy, I know which car id prefer.

so adding a supercharger is chavvy, seems ok for Mercedes and AMG! If you buy a new Type R, carry out traditional NA tuning, (head work and cams) to keep within Honda's philosophy and net the extra 40bhp, fit the aftermarket suspension and brakes needed for track action or committed road driving, fit a pair of snazzy seats, have it set up to your requirements by a professional and still have 10k to spend on something else.

Don't tell me, i have missed the point again.

40k for a hatchback, what a rip off.

Edited by dnatuner on Thursday 22 October 23:53

Buying a stock car and spending 20K on it when its a Civic hatch is one thing. Buying a Mugen built and tuned Civic that is proven to be one the fastest hatches ever produced is another.

If the fact that it costs 40K and is to expensive then why bother posting?

I dont give a st what else you could buy for this kind of money. I could spend 30K on a DC2 and make it a fking race car. That is not the point.

where did the extra 20k come from,

[SonicHedgeHog]

dnatuner said:

vz-r_dave said:

dnatuner said:

vz-r_dave said:

dnatuner said:

£38,599, this must be a clerical error! who ever buys one needs their head testing, would be better off buying a standard type R and go on a shopping spree for a TTS Performance supercharger kit, 380mm brembo's, set of coilovers and some snazzy recaro's and still have change for a second car.

Edited by dnatuner on Thursday 22 October 15:44

Your missing the point of this entirely, did you read the article? The car is going to be a custom fit to the buyers requirements. Not some chavved up civic with a super charger.

Besides its keeping with Honda's NA philosopy, I know which car id prefer.

so adding a supercharger is chavvy, seems ok for Mercedes and AMG! If you buy a new Type R, carry out traditional NA tuning, (head work and cams) to keep within Honda's philosophy and net the extra 40bhp, fit the aftermarket suspension and brakes needed for track action or committed road driving, fit a pair of snazzy seats, have it set up to your requirements by a professional and still have 10k to spend on something else.

Don't tell me, i have missed the point again.

40k for a hatchback, what a rip off.

Edited by dnatuner on Thursday 22 October 23:53

Buying a stock car and spending 20K on it when its a Civic hatch is one thing. Buying a Mugen built and tuned Civic that is proven to be one the fastest hatches ever produced is another.

If the fact that it costs 40K and is to expensive then why bother posting?

I dont give a st what else you could buy for this kind of money. I could spend 30K on a DC2 and make it a fking race car. That is not the point.

where did the extra 20k come from,

I think you have to remember that quality costs. We're not talking about taking your average 2 litre lump and bolting on a turbo and increasing the boost to suit. Everything is upgraded with the very best components.

You could argue that all manufacturers do this. Look at BMW's M cars. A new M3 is well over £50k and yet you can buy a 318i for under £20k. All BMW has done is upgrade parts that are already on the 318i. In many ways Honda is a victim of it's own pricing policy. You can now buy a band new CTR from Honda with every extra including sat nav for under £20k and get 0% finance. Spec up a Golf GTI, a 125i, a new Megane, Focus or anything else with similar performance and the difference in price is as much as £10k. If the standard CTR wasn't such tremendous value the cost of the Mugen wouldn't look so excessive.