RE: Driven: Volkswagen Scirocco R
Discussion
briSk said:
vz-r_dave said:
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
The Sirocco, no matter what guise is always going to be a rep mobil imo, likewise with the golf.
A Scirocco is a rep mobile and a Focus isn't? fair enough there's not that much difference between a scirocco and a scirocco r but the scirocco itself is way different to a golf (although i question why the 3dr golf still exists in 20T guise..but that's an aside).
i am not an FRSmk2 hater - far from it but it only looks distinctive due to the sheer volume of stuff glued on to it. sontrast this with the mk1 RS which managed to be different yet without being so overtly ASBO (in looks).
The RS with its outlandish looks (sticky on bits) and fantastic engine note is far different from other Focuses available.
This is not a debate on what looks good or not. Just the simple fact that there isnt much to differentiate between the Hot and Wrm versions of the VW's.
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
I am sorry but I am not sure what you are getting at? I am not debating what car is best here. The R may be much better but for me it is far to Dull for the R badge. Now if it where a V6 and AWD then that would be a different matter.
Fair enough. To my mind if it was a 4wd V6 it would be a worse car in just about every way (noise being the one exception). dave - fair enough.
one thing i have noticed though is how ford have deliberately toned down the ST in mk2.2 guise presumably to as much to make the RS more different. the original 5cyl ST was much more obvious than the one they're currently selling - which in most colours could easily be a zetec with bigger wheels!
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i do agree with one of the other posts above - this is how all sciroccos should look the std model is too far from concept but this is a lot nearer. in fact it make syou wonder at what point they decided to make the R...
one thing i have noticed though is how ford have deliberately toned down the ST in mk2.2 guise presumably to as much to make the RS more different. the original 5cyl ST was much more obvious than the one they're currently selling - which in most colours could easily be a zetec with bigger wheels!
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i do agree with one of the other posts above - this is how all sciroccos should look the std model is too far from concept but this is a lot nearer. in fact it make syou wonder at what point they decided to make the R...
jamoor said:
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
The Sirocco, no matter what guise is always going to be a rep mobil imo, likewise with the golf.
A Scirocco is a rep mobile and a Focus isn't? Seriously though, Vauxhall = yuk, Ford = yuk, Nissan = yuk.
No?
fastgerman said:
jamoor said:
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
The Sirocco, no matter what guise is always going to be a rep mobil imo, likewise with the golf.
A Scirocco is a rep mobile and a Focus isn't? Seriously though, Vauxhall = yuk, Ford = yuk, Nissan = yuk.
No?
Glad they have these lights. The quicker most UK vehicles are fitted with running lights the better. The reason for me saying that, too many morons drive without sidelights at least in low light conditions or heavy rain. It makes it harder to spot oncoming vehicles in certain conditions, even as a pedestrian.
hornetrider said:
Oh, has it also caught Daytime Chav Strip disease? Or are they normal LED sidelights?
Dr G said:
Wow - a lot of comments on this thread from the sheep it would seem!
Looks fantastic and appears very quick and usable. Exactly what a UK hot hatch should be. Want one
Care to explain which comments are from sheep? I didnt know that farm animals could get on PH.Looks fantastic and appears very quick and usable. Exactly what a UK hot hatch should be. Want one
Its not a bloody UK hot hatch either.
I don't know about the UK, but over here in Belgium, the bikes stood out due to their lights being on...
DLR (leds or no leds) make them lose that advantage...
IF lighting conditions are poor, there is always an option for automatic lights these days in most cars.
DLR (leds or no leds) make them lose that advantage...
IF lighting conditions are poor, there is always an option for automatic lights these days in most cars.
Escort Si-130 said:
Glad they have these lights. The quicker most UK vehicles are fitted with running lights the better. The reason for me saying that, too many morons drive without sidelights at least in low light conditions or heavy rain. It makes it harder to spot oncoming vehicles in certain conditions, even as a pedestrian.
hornetrider said:
Oh, has it also caught Daytime Chav Strip disease? Or are they normal LED sidelights?
vz-r_dave said:
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
I am sorry but I am not sure what you are getting at? I am not debating what car is best here. The R may be much better but for me it is far to Dull for the R badge. Now if it where a V6 and AWD then that would be a different matter.
Fair enough. To my mind if it was a 4wd V6 it would be a worse car in just about every way (noise being the one exception). Edited by daz4m on Thursday 12th November 15:59
daz4m said:
vz-r_dave said:
kambites said:
vz-r_dave said:
I am sorry but I am not sure what you are getting at? I am not debating what car is best here. The R may be much better but for me it is far to Dull for the R badge. Now if it where a V6 and AWD then that would be a different matter.
Fair enough. To my mind if it was a 4wd V6 it would be a worse car in just about every way (noise being the one exception). Edited by daz4m on Thursday 12th November 15:59
Tuning pottential is obvious but you still get the engine that lacks sound and charactor under the bonnet.
Ofcourse a smaller engine is more suitable but that certainly does not make the car any better.
Edited by vz-r_dave on Thursday 12th November 16:08
Weight is the key problem leading to lesser handling so you can't just dismiss that. The car is already carrying extra with the drivetrain.
Powerwise, the VW V6 is pretty crap anyway compared to the straight sixes BMW produce. Much better having the lighter, faster and more frugal 4 cylinder Turbo unit in a car badged R.
The V6 is better suited to GT. Case closed.
Powerwise, the VW V6 is pretty crap anyway compared to the straight sixes BMW produce. Much better having the lighter, faster and more frugal 4 cylinder Turbo unit in a car badged R.
The V6 is better suited to GT. Case closed.
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