RE: BMW M Division Wants A 1-series M

[RobM77]

va1o said:

Not wanting to state the obvious here, but could they not just have branded the 135i as the M1? As mentioned in the article is has 300bhp, which is enough to pose a serious rival to the likes of the Audi S3, Focus RS and Golf R etc...

That's just it though, it's a rival to the Audi S3 etc. Unlike the Audi and the Golf, an M car should have more than just power.

[va1o]

At the end of the day the M name is just marketing

[RobM77]

va1o said:

At the end of the day the M name is just marketing

It's hugely used for marketing purposes, and doesn't mean motorsport homologation like it used to, but an M BMW is significantly different to a non M. For example, for my car the M version has a completely different steering system costing a lot more money just to give it more feel, completely retuned the suspension, totally different engine and a myriad of other little things.

[kambites]

Whilst that's certainly true of the Z4M, I do wonder if the same can really be said of the X5M and X6M, for example.

[kambites]

True. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, they do seem to be gradually drifting in the wrong direction.

Perhaps that's unfair. Maybe they've just expanded into other sectors and the likes of the M3, for example, are as good as they've ever been. Personally I can't bring myself to believe that though.

Edited by kambites on Monday 16th November 21:42

[BlackSteel]

I am A BMW fan through & through but even I bang my head against the wall & shout because they they are not building the cars they should be.

E.g. M5. The one with the 5.5ltr engine & the M1 etc etc etc

Lets hope they pull there fingers out this time because people get board & JUMP SHIP!!!

[RobM77]

anonymous said:

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All I know is that the only criticism I and some magazines can level at my non-M Z4 Coupé is the steering, and they specced it differently on the Z4M. The cost I am assuming for the Z4, but it was actually quoted in an Evora press release that they deliberately opted for "more expensive" hydraulic assisted steering as it offered "more feel" over the more common electric racks such as (I think) fitted to the Cayman. The one good thing that's come of it is it's training me to feel more through the seat, rather than rely on the steering (easy for a Lotus owner to do!) which in the car I race, a downforce assisted single seater, wearing fireproof gloves, is pretty much all you've got to go on!

[RobM77]

anonymous said:

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Sorry, I did say I wasn't sure. You're right: http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results... I love my Z4C, but I can't believe they lessened the steering feel to save fuel That's one of the stupidest things in automotive engineering that I've ever heard. It's a sports car for fk's sake!! Mind you, at least they didn't fit a ridiculous non linear rack like Porsche, I think that's equally as stupid...

Edited by RobM77 on Monday 16th November 22:51

[RobM77]

anonymous said:

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I've test driven two and agree. To me it feels over-assisted and numb, which is why I thought it was electric actually! Very accurate though (let's not get into the feel vs accuracy argument again!). I reckon the Cayman is my perfect car if only they'd improve the steering feel, remove the DBW throttle lag and allow another three inches of steering wheel reach adjustment. That final point grates on me.. Who's going to spend all that money on a Porsche if they can't even get comfortable? Take a look at the picture of Henry Catchpole driving the GT3 in this month's Evo Car of the Year to see what I mean.

[aeropilot]

anonymous said:

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I was in a dealer on Saturday, and they had a new X5M in the showroom, and all I could say to myself walking around the monsterous thing was ....... WTF and, just plain why

[clarkey318is]

They won't remove all the wieght they can, they still have the CSL cow to milk. Sounds like a good idea though...

[EMEZolfe]

The list below shows the rumored specs of the BMW M Division baby car....
that's not exactly the real specs of this little beast but trust me
it will be close...very close


Real name: BMW 1M
Engine: New 2.5 M Twin-scroll Twin-Turbocharged I6 (DI, 10.0 compression ratio)
Power: 350PS Torque: 450Nm
Weight: 1430kg
Power/weight: 241bhp/tonne
Transmission: 7-speed DCT (manual still available)
Performance stats: 0-60 in 4.7 (0-62 in 4.9)
Top speed: limited to 250kmh

[EMEZolfe]

Yes it's true 1M's performance match the very latest M3 but it'll lose that V8 rumble ..i previously thought M guys would crammed that fabulous V8 the hell into it or reworked the current 3.0 turbo to a nice 400bhp-ish...but at least that new 2.5 M engine beat TT RS in terms of power and max torque also available at very low 1300rpm-5500rpm ...i'm happy though

[Escort Si-130]

lmfao @ spikey haired estate agent. You also forgot to mention pink shirt wearing dude.

Dibby said:

About time with all the cheap hot hatch stuff out there, a sensible business decision for BMW.

Now the spikey haired estate agent douchebag types will have something quick drive about in with their front foglights on

[Escort Si-130]

lmfao

L100NYY said:

R66STU said:

(This will be a good car IF its made)if this car is in the 40k bracket then only to**ers will buy it, you know the type.. bluetooth headsets shirt and tie,oakley sunglasses ect...

Do you have posters of Clarkson on your bedroom wall?

[Escort Si-130]

Diesel??? 21 inche alloys?? sorry that is a no no! Yuk @ silver, boring old stty sales rep fleet car colour.

astrsxi77 said:

Well here's my recommendation to "M" division;

It needs to feel safe and secure so we must start with a minimum kerb weight of 1655kgs. If the standard shell doesn't meet this target, feel free to fill the cavities with lead.

Start with a nice sporty Diesel engine, perhaps chipped to 352bhp at a heady 5100rpm , add a superduper "M Tec" body kit with de rigueur 21" alloys. Mate to a 9-speed automated DSG-a-tronic that can change gear before you've even thought about touching the paddle and promptly does just that. Remember the "POWER" button because I just won't accept a car without one anymore.

As for the chassis, well you can't even contemplate launching an "M" product without ADIFU (Active Drive It For You) and the One should be no exception. Why should I, as its potential buyer, need to worry about actually having to drive it!? That's just not what the "M" synergy is about.

Then, throw in all the toys such as LED uplighters that illuminate all "M" badges, Sat-Nav headrest technology and a plasma screen that greets you with the new "M" division mission statement - "Marketing" - "Making Money" - "Mumbojumbo"

Finally, set Nurburgring lap record to simulate real world driving conditions and start a never ending argument over the legitimacy of the time with Japanese and American rival manufacturers.

People, I give you the M 1-Series D. I'll have mine in Synergy Silver.

Edited by Escort Si-130 on Tuesday 17th November 03:56

[Escort Si-130]

Im suprised this wasnt mentioned earlier by BMW, especially as Audi are releasing the RS3, I guess as usual, BMW would not want to be outdone and come up with a competitor in the usual game for car manufacturers these days. Its like my dick is bigger than yours, size matters.

[ureile]

Zod said:

I would much, much prefer this to those ridiculous M-Power Trucks, the X5 M and X6 M.

The X6 M richly deserved to beat the Panamera into seond place in Evo's Turkey of the Year category. It is a travesty.

Did you ever drive one, or do you just repeat other peoples´opinion?

[greygoose]

Escort Si-130 said:

Diesel??? 21 inche alloys?? sorry that is a no no! Yuk @ silver, boring old stty sales rep fleet car colour.

If you look really far above your head then you'll just about see that joke flying away .

[clarkey318is]

EMEZolfe said:

The list below shows the rumored specs of the BMW M Division baby car....
that's not exactly the real specs of this little beast but trust me
it will be close...very close


Real name: BMW 1M
Engine: New 2.5 M Twin-scroll Twin-Turbocharged I6 (DI, 10.0 compression ratio)
Power: 350PS Torque: 450Nm
Weight: 1430kg
Power/weight: 241bhp/tonne
Transmission: 7-speed DCT (manual still available)
Performance stats: 0-60 in 4.7 (0-62 in 4.9)
Top speed: limited to 250kmh

Jesus fking christ!