RE: Interview: Lee Noble / Fenix Automotive

RE: Interview: Lee Noble / Fenix Automotive

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Garlick

40,601 posts

240 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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10 Pence Short said:
According to Riggers, the new Noble will be front wheel drive. Is this true?
Three wheel drive apparently, class leading.

Trap

173 posts

185 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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LS engine in lightweight plastic Brit car, reminds me of the last Marcos. Altho I imagine Fenix will be going Mid engined.

sublimatica

3,196 posts

254 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Bizarre name. Fenix (Phoenix) is so over-used for companies 'rising from the ashes'. The Phoenix Consortium was the disastrous company in charge of the MG Rover buy-back.

But sincerely I wish Lee Noble success with his new venture. He's obviously a talented individual with a lot of customer goodwill on his side.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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nobleman said:
dare I say Lee Noble could be hailed as the Colin Chapman, though using larger engines, of the modern era. I can't be the only one who has said that. "Sacrilege" I hear all the Lotus fans say.
Not sure Mr Noble gets within a thousand miles whichever way you look at it. Which is a shame. Essentially he only ever came up with one successful car (largely filling the gap left by lack of a new Esprit) and fell at the first hurdle - how to follow it. Having said that I'm happy to wish him the very best of luck with this new project.

By the way - IMO anyone who's willing to spend £200k on that new blue monstrosity called a "Noble" must be out of their mind. There's a very fine new sports car from Ferrari available around £150k. Not to mention some fine efforts from Mr Lamborghini and and even Mr Audi.

Micknall

826 posts

249 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Even if you choose to believe that the M12 was nothing more than an Esprit substitute, you cannot deny its success. No Lotus in recent memory has had the giant-slaying properties of the M12 and its successive iterations. Do you recall Autocar's Britain's Best Driver's Car issue in 2004, where the M400 disposed of such greats as the GT3RS, Gallardo, DB9 and Lotus Exige - among many others - to tale the title? It even came second in the same competition the following year, following a raft of new supercar launches in 2005.

I could go on, but I think most people know how much the enthusiast media raved about Noble - and not just in the UK.

No, Lee should rightly be hailed as a 21st Century Colin Chapman. He has the singlemindedness, engineering talent, and most importantly, manufacturing know-how to launch the right car at the right price, at the right time.

Bodo

12,375 posts

266 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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qwick

530 posts

267 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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nobleman said:
Essentially he only ever came up with one successful car (largely filling the gap left by lack of a new Esprit) and fell at the first hurdle - how to follow it.
He's produced a few good cars admitedly on a theme (but a good one), which are you thinking of in particular...?

Noble P4
Ultima
plus the later Nobles

Must say I wouldn't mind a beer with the chap one day.


Edited by qwick on Wednesday 18th November 21:01

Micknall

826 posts

249 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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....Ultima, Pro-sport, MidTec, Ascari, Lotus 23B & P4 replicas, M10, M12 GTO, M12 GTO-3, M12 GTO-3R, M400 plus M14 and M15 prototypes...

Have I missed something?

kilarney

483 posts

223 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Lee is an Engineers kind of guy, I met him once and he was straight forward and open about what the then noble was needing development on and happy to talk to me about it. Agree TVR name would be a great start.

jensen-healey

20 posts

231 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Name already taken, although these only have 4 horsepower at best
http://www.fenixcarriages.co.uk/
JH

ridds

8,219 posts

244 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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For between 70 and 100k I very much doubt the engine will be European. Particually with the limited numbers.

crb

2,447 posts

197 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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It wouldn't surprise me if he went for the same Volvo/Yamaha engine that's in the Noble M600.

It'd be a nice kick in the teeth for his old bosses to build a car with the same engine for less than half the price.

wywywywy

33 posts

189 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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My bet is on the Lexus V8 used in the IS-F.
May be with an Audi transmission.

trackdemon

12,189 posts

261 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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As others have mentioned, I'm inclined towards an LS engine on a cost/power/reliability/availability basis..... The BMW V8 is not a proven quantity with turbo's, the Audi V8 does service in the back of a £250k+ Gumpert Apollo, and I can't think of anything else which could offer this spread of power without major investment in testing - apart from the very same Yamaha/Volvo unit in the back of the 'Noble' which is set to retail at £200k...

Incidentally, IIRC Sutcliffe's piece last month mentioned that Lee's new car will use the same Graziano (I think) 'box as that in the M600. Perhaps thats a clue to the power unit, perhaps its not.....

Jenx

11,579 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Micknall!!! Great to see that name back posting smile

Martin (ex V6 GTO)

PS:- are you getting your old job back? There are at least a few hundred of us Noble owners that hope so.

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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So they haven't built the prototype yet and they go on sale next year. That's not long to iron out the faults / niggles. I suspect the majority of buyers of a 100k car will not want to be a "development" drivers. :worried:

I hope it works out well for him, but I don't think he's learnt the key lesson from from selling his other cars.

2woody

919 posts

210 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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he does indeed sound proper genuine - just contrast him with the Rochdale Cowboy !

regarding ABS, yes of course it will hurt business, there are doubtless people who won't buy just on the strength of "no ABS". BUT consider the costs to the small manufacturer - they are huge - it's actually cheaper to put an entire new body style into production or to change the engine than it is to add ABS.

There is some option to do a delaer-fit ABS, but the liability issues are quite large.

zakelwe

4,449 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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It has to be the LS I think, he mentioned between 400 and 650bhp, which is roughly the 6.2 LS3 (non supercharged)and the 6.2 LS9 Supercharged. That would factor in well with the cost range of £70k to £100k too.

Andy

Eviltad

1,320 posts

179 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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rhinochopig said:
So they haven't built the prototype yet and they go on sale next year.
Pretty sure it said the Prototype was in S.Africa being tested.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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It's very hard to look past the LS series when factoring in power,cost and reliability..its that simple...you don't even need a turbo a solution you can buy a crate LS9 with 640hp in a 1200kg car ..enough said..no in house tunning required, GM servicing etc