RE: Driven: Tesla Roadster

RE: Driven: Tesla Roadster

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sa_20v

4,108 posts

232 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Beefmeister said:
Ah, I may have forgotten to mention in the article that the Tesla costs a cool £92,000!!!!!

scratchchin Hmmm, Tesla or Elise R and £60,000 of fuel...
Or Exige S2 for £15k, A LOT of fuel and a car that you can sell on. No one will want electric cars secondhand because buyers will know the technology is redundant pretty much after being put in the car.

I see a green future, where cars depreciate like a flaming brick. But it's OK, because these are powered by electricity, derived from burning Western based fossil fuels (oh let's ignore that fact), and not that nasty highly efficient climate killing oil. rolleyes

Chris-R

756 posts

188 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Tesla's UK distributor has been in touch to re-iterate the point that the Ecurie25 loan car is an early version, and quite different to their latest model which has a new interior and various technical changes. They've offered us a chance to review the latest car, so we're looking forward to having a go in it.

(And we did get the weight wrong initially - it's now been corrected in the article to 1238kgs. Sorry!)

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

184 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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[quote]There is a huge amount of retardation when you come off the accelerator, which takes a lot of getting used to in town - it's about equal to pressing the brake pedal about 30% down in traffic.
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And no brake lights... Sounds worse than dangerous, more like "illegal"

30% brake on the motorway with no brake lights?

Mr Gear

9,416 posts

191 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Anubis said:
> The CEO of Aston Martin is also 100% correct. Electric cars are NOT the future - hydrogen based one's will replace fossil fuel based vehicles. This is where the real vehicle technology is being developed today.
You can't have hydrogen until you have electric. Hydrogen cars will be plug-in electric cars with a fuel cell range extender... if they ever come to market.

This is the car's evolutionary tree as I see it:

1) Horse & cart
2) Internal combustion
3) Hybrid IC
4) Electric cars, many with IC range extenders
5) Electric cars with alt-fuel range extenders, possibly bio-fuel, methanol and least-likely of all, H2.

As yet, we have only just taken the first steps towards step 3.

CMB123

53 posts

200 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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The Wookie said:
Anubis said:
The CEO of Aston Marting is also 100% correct. Electric cars are NOT the future - hydrogen based one's will replace fossil fuel based vehicles. This is where the real vehicle technology is being developed today.
Real vehicle technology is being developed for both Hydrogen and Electric Vehicles. Which will prevail will depend on technological breakthroughs as currently neither EV or H2 tech is viable to completely compete with regular vehicles. At the moment electric tech is winning, with the added bonus that it doesn't require complete abandonment of Fossil Fuel electricity to improve well to wheel efficiency.

H2 has a lot of problems as an energy storage medium
Got to agree with the H2 comments and disagree with the AM CEO. The fuel storage for H2 is normally very subambient (LN2 temps) and/or under rather high pressure (100Bar+). Solid H2 storage is a long way away from viable and safe. Funny how the funding from the USA into fuel cells has been cut this last year whilst battery/supercaps has increased dramatically. I know where I would put my money.

James__H

132 posts

183 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Does anyone know how long they have been in the UK for? I took this photo on the 29th of September, I think it must have been one of the first over here.

It will be interesting to see just how quickly elecctric powered vehicles can develop, battery technologies are forever moving forward. I really hope petrol powered cars will be around for a lot longer, I can't imagine an electric car with much 'soul'.

bencollins

3,524 posts

206 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Mr Gear said:
Anubis said:
> The CEO of Aston Martin is also 100% correct. Electric cars are NOT the future - hydrogen based one's will replace fossil fuel based vehicles. This is where the real vehicle technology is being developed today.
You can't have hydrogen until you have electric. Hydrogen cars will be plug-in electric cars with a fuel cell range extender... if they ever come to market.

This is the car's evolutionary tree as I see it:

1) Horse & cart
2) Internal combustion
3) Hybrid IC
4) Electric cars, many with IC range extenders
5) Electric cars with alt-fuel range extenders, possibly bio-fuel, methanol and least-likely of all, H2.

As yet, we have only just taken the first steps towards step 3.
+1
spot on

Gridl0k

1,058 posts

184 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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..and as I keep hammering on about, the quicker we can get people out of Corsas and Picassos and into some sort of duracell bunny car, the more petrol there'll be left for those of us who choose to drive V8s biggrin

Spunagain

755 posts

259 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Gridl0k][quote said:
There is a huge amount of retardation when you come off the accelerator, which takes a lot of getting used to in town - it's about equal to pressing the brake pedal about 30% down in traffic.
And no brake lights... Sounds worse than dangerous, more like "illegal"

30% brake on the motorway with no brake lights?
The brake lights do come on when the car regeratively brakes!

205

76 posts

229 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Gridl0k said:
..and as I keep hammering on about, the quicker we can get people out of Corsas and Picassos and into some sort of duracell bunny car, the more petrol there'll be left for those of us who choose to drive V8s biggrin
That is the most sensible comment made in here today!!
Surely that is whole point of the Tesla Roadster.

Making that technology exciting enough to inspire it's breakthrough to the mainstream. It has to to happen otherwise you can say goodbye to performance cars as we know them.

Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

231 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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No, when you come off the accelerator the brake lights do come on.

I did a couple of checks in the rear view when there was a car with big headlights behind me, adn sure enough they do come on, at least a bit. When you press the brake pedal, there appeared to be 'more' light, if you understand me?

I think there must be a 2-stage system.

ThirdShift

120 posts

179 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Just remember, this is the Premium/Luxury Prius. Its all about being smug and saying you care about the environment! ":-)

Seriously thou, I love to drive one before a dismiss it. It looks right and its a good thing its now over here in the Uk

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Good write up.

louiebaby

10,651 posts

192 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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CMB123 said:
The Wookie said:
Anubis said:
The CEO of Aston Marting is also 100% correct. Electric cars are NOT the future - hydrogen based one's will replace fossil fuel based vehicles. This is where the real vehicle technology is being developed today.
Real vehicle technology is being developed for both Hydrogen and Electric Vehicles. Which will prevail will depend on technological breakthroughs as currently neither EV or H2 tech is viable to completely compete with regular vehicles. At the moment electric tech is winning, with the added bonus that it doesn't require complete abandonment of Fossil Fuel electricity to improve well to wheel efficiency.

H2 has a lot of problems as an energy storage medium
Got to agree with the H2 comments and disagree with the AM CEO. The fuel storage for H2 is normally very subambient (LN2 temps) and/or under rather high pressure (100Bar+). Solid H2 storage is a long way away from viable and safe. Funny how the funding from the USA into fuel cells has been cut this last year whilst battery/supercaps has increased dramatically. I know where I would put my money.
Choosing the best technology to support usually follows what the porn industry does, worked for BetaMax vs VHS...

Naked ladies drive all technological advances...

MrWhale

173 posts

178 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Ive just seen a dark green one of these in Great Tower St, London!

EK993

1,927 posts

252 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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MrWhale said:
Ive just seen a dark green one of these in Great Tower St, London!
Funnily enough I saw the silver one in this article on Great Tower St around 2 - 3 weeks ago - managed to take this (not very good) pic as it drove past


205

76 posts

229 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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I just double checked the Top Gear Power Laps chart...

Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
Tesla Roadster - 1.27.2 !!!!!

That's incredible. Maybe it doesn't handle so bad after all.


Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

231 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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205 said:
I just double checked the Top Gear Power Laps chart...

Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2
Tesla Roadster - 1.27.2 !!!!!

That's incredible. Maybe it doesn't handle so bad after all.
I seem to remember that the GT3 time was a wet lap, so 4 secs faster in the dry...

Ralf Rockefeller

1,581 posts

178 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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I dont see why this car is getting a hammering:

a) its better- by miles desipte the price difference- to a G-Whizz.
b) As mentioned earlier, the faster these become everyones A-B cars, the more fun people can have with weekend petrol cars.

Do I need a 280bhp Petrol rwd etc car for the small drive to the gym, or to the supermarket? NO. Its just a means to an end.

Any none fuel car will suffice.

The Sunday blast, or the Friday night hoon- the fossil fuel burner will do nicely. The drive itself is what matters, not where I am going (unless its on route to Brands, Croft, The Ring, etc)

smile

Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

231 months

Friday 20th November 2009
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Ralf Rockefeller said:
I dont see why this car is getting a hammering:

a) its better- by miles desipte the price difference- to a G-Whizz.
b) As mentioned earlier, the faster these become everyones A-B cars, the more fun people can have with weekend petrol cars.

Do I need a 280bhp Petrol rwd etc car for the small drive to the gym, or to the supermarket? NO. Its just a means to an end.

Any none fuel car will suffice.

The Sunday blast, or the Friday night hoon- the fossil fuel burner will do nicely. The drive itself is what matters, not where I am going (unless its on route to Brands, Croft, The Ring, etc)

smile
My point is that it should really be in a practical body. Say take a Fiesta and add the Tesla's tech.

Then you'd have a good looking city car, with 120 mile range, fantastic performance and all the smug grins you can muster.

My issue is that the two different parts of the car (electric / sports car) don't seem to gel very well...

I am interested if they've improved the car, genuinely.