RE: No Ferrari-Viper Collaboration Planned
Discussion
jayfish said:
CypherP said:
I'm pleased to be honest. Really can't think of any reason why a Ferrari engine would be a good idea in an american muscle car. The Viper V10 makes the car. To be honest, any inspiration other than aesthetically (largely interior), would be a bad move for Viper.
We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
This is the same car that in the article above is mentioned as having set the new lap record around one of the twistiest most challenging motor racing circuits in the world...have a word with yourself!We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
Don't get carried away folks, the article says NO Ferrari - Viper collaboration, so the grown ups running the respective organizations do seem to know what they are doing after all. We are talking about very different fundamentals here between the two manufacturers approach to market; Ferrari have built their reputation on racing and development, at a very heavy price premium on their (excellent) road cars and Viper provide a great value for money package that (for a bloke on a budget) Ferrari could never beat. So two totally different types of machine therefore come from these two quite different companies and even with the same parent the scope for collaboration must be pretty limited - as Viper say they only want a bit of advice not the technology.
Ninjaboy said:
LuS1fer said:
Yeah, how does that Viper ACR post that 'Ring time when the handling is plainly "inferior" to those "fast" Ferraris...
I predict a 10 page slanging match now, isn't the ACR a race car or a one off special?. the Viper platform consists of the convertible, fixed roof coupe and the ACR coupe, 1/3 of first years total production has been the ACR they are all built on the same line in batches, and are still hand built, approx 105 people are involved in the whole factory/operation
the ACR is about 80kgs lighter than the standard coupe, but has aero aids which provides 1000 lbs of downforce at 130mph, michelin cup sticky tyres, adjustable suspension and a few other items
the proper Viper race car is called a competetion coupe, a different car entirely which has been in the British GT for a number years and won, the factory ACR's which broke the N'ring record cant live with it around a track
the ACR is about 80kgs lighter than the standard coupe, but has aero aids which provides 1000 lbs of downforce at 130mph, michelin cup sticky tyres, adjustable suspension and a few other items
the proper Viper race car is called a competetion coupe, a different car entirely which has been in the British GT for a number years and won, the factory ACR's which broke the N'ring record cant live with it around a track
Edited by Viper on Thursday 26th November 19:30
LuS1fer said:
Thank god for that. Am American muscle car needs to be just that without all the crap you get on one of those slow Ferraris. It also needs to be cheap to service and FUN, not some prima donna Italian sports car.
Yeah, in some ways its a shame, pretentious over priced Ferrari engineering could have benefitted from some reliaility and durabilityMarquis_Rex said:
LuS1fer said:
Thank god for that. Am American muscle car needs to be just that without all the crap you get on one of those slow Ferraris. It also needs to be cheap to service and FUN, not some prima donna Italian sports car.
Yeah, in some ways its a shame, pretentious over priced Ferrari engineering could have benefitted from some reliaility and durabilityWith th viper V10 baically a modular verion of the old 5.9- which in turn isn't a milion miles away from the new Hemi- what the Viper engine could do with is cylinder head based on the new good flowing fast burning twin plug Hemi.
Either that or just bin the nasty sounding V10 and do a stretched and optmised high performance all aluminium Hemi V8, with dual indepndent Meccadyne vaiable cam phasing etc
Either that or just bin the nasty sounding V10 and do a stretched and optmised high performance all aluminium Hemi V8, with dual indepndent Meccadyne vaiable cam phasing etc
boxerTen said:
leelee89 said:
I cant see how sticking a big yank V10 in a small, light ferrari would be a good idea... it'd ruin the handling big time!!
Which small light Ferrari would that be? Ferrari haven't built one since the F40.This was never going to happen! the unique thing is that the Viper is the American supercar, designed and marketed to the Yank audience. How many are sold outside of the USA? Europeanising it and making it a Maserati would be foolish as you'd lose your core base of fan! Yay Chrysler! Boo Ferrari
Shinobi said:
CypherP said:
I'm pleased to be honest. Really can't think of any reason why a Ferrari engine would be a good idea in an american muscle car. The Viper V10 makes the car. To be honest, any inspiration other than aesthetically (largely interior), would be a bad move for Viper.
We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
Also the ZR1 is the quickest car around the Nurburg and that has a few corners..... have another word with yourself and stop listening to Clarkson.We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
kambites said:
boxerTen said:
leelee89 said:
I cant see how sticking a big yank V10 in a small, light ferrari would be a good idea... it'd ruin the handling big time!!
Which small light Ferrari would that be? Ferrari haven't built one since the F40.TVR653X said:
kambites said:
boxerTen said:
leelee89 said:
I cant see how sticking a big yank V10 in a small, light ferrari would be a good idea... it'd ruin the handling big time!!
Which small light Ferrari would that be? Ferrari haven't built one since the F40.Shinobi said:
CypherP said:
I'm pleased to be honest. Really can't think of any reason why a Ferrari engine would be a good idea in an american muscle car. The Viper V10 makes the car. To be honest, any inspiration other than aesthetically (largely interior), would be a bad move for Viper.
We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
Also the ZR1 is the quickest car around the Nurburg and that has a few corners..... have another word with yourself and stop listening to Clarkson.We all know the US don't build cars that corner particularly well and we have gotten used to it. Keep the V10 muscle as it is, I say.
leon9191 said:
AlexVTR said:
leelee89 said:
I cant see how sticking a big yank V10 in a small, light ferrari would be a good idea... it'd ruin the handling big time!!
+1I think they're more intrested in fiats information and methods regarding fuel economy & emissions etc.
Also it’s the way the engine develops its power that defines its character not its weight.
its hardly yankie pig iron you couldnt be more wrong, the aluminium engine blocks have been made in the UK for some time (in Manchester actually)
here's a little vid with Justin Bell, whose dad is slightly more famous
http://www.motorguru.com/video.html?v=41
here's a little vid with Justin Bell, whose dad is slightly more famous
http://www.motorguru.com/video.html?v=41
Edited by Viper on Friday 27th November 22:26
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