RE: Ferrari 575M Revisited

[kambites]

TVR653X said:

kambites said:

I still think the bonnet vent is just plain ugly.

But necessary.

Is it really? Could they not have ducted air up from the front grill or moved the airbox or something?

In fact looking at pictures of the engine bay, the intakes aren't there at all, so what's the purpose of the vent? Is it just there for cooling?

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th December 19:20

[TVR653X]

turbo-ww said:

TVR653X said:

King Fisher said:

It was you who heard this for real, yes?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikeyrh9E91w

I doubt much can compete after you heard that.

I normally love the sound of TVR's but am I the only one that thinks this one sounds like an awful bag of nails?

I know who can help you! :

http://www.crystalhearinguk.co.uk/

[paul0843]

kambites said:

TVR653X said:

kambites said:

I still think the bonnet vent is just plain ugly.

But necessary.

Is it really? Could they not have ducted air up from the front grill or moved the airbox or something?

In fact looking at pictures of the engine bay, the intakes aren't there at all, so what's the purpose of the vent? Is it just there for cooling?

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th December 19:20

the 575 had a slightly bigger bonnet intake than the 550...have had both
and the 575 definately runs cooler...
imo the 575 is a sorted 550...hence better value for money

[kambites]

The 599 presumably does OK without a big hole in the bonnet. Maybe they didn't notice the cooling problem until relatively late in the program when it was too late to change the front end substantially so they just grafted the intake on?

It's a shame because I think the 575 and 550 are lovely looking cars... except for the bonnet which just looks stupid to my eye.

[turbo-ww]

JayP1 said:

turbo-ww said:

TVR653X said:

King Fisher said:

It was you who heard this for real, yes?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikeyrh9E91w

I doubt much can compete after you heard that.

I normally love the sound of TVR's but am I the only one that thinks this one sounds like an awful bag of nails?

I think that is actually music...carry on listening past 1:06 and it does get a bit better

Listened to all of it. Twice. Still sounds like a bag on nails and the driver seems to be scared of changing down.

My memory says it sounded much better in the flesh when it was racing. For both laps....

[vinceh]

One small point everybody seems to be forgetting - you may be able to afford to buy this 'bargain' Ferrari, but can you afford to run it? Used Ferraris cost a FORTUNE to run and everytime it goes to a garage you are looking at minimum four figure bills. And they go to the garage often.

Doubting what I say? Well, I'll just point out that EVO's Harry Metcalfe decided to buy a 550 a while ago, and although he loved it, he got rid of it quite quickly because it was costing stupid, no, really stupid amounts of money to run. If someone like Metcalfe can't afford to run a used Ferrari (and presumably the company was picking up the bills), what hope have the rest of us mere mortals got?

[double6]

I know someone selling a 575 .... its a 2005 gt1 car built by N-technology...if anyone is interested

[Daniel1]

just been looking at the photos again.

if its my euromillions tonight im popping to a Ferrari dealer as soon as the monies have cleared and buying two of them

[Gridl0k]

Didn't Metclafe sell his 575.. and buy a Zonda?

That says a lot.

[BOR]

vinceh said:

Doubting what I say? Well, I'll just point out that EVO's Harry Metcalfe decided to buy a 550 a while ago, and although he loved it, he got rid of it quite quickly because it was costing stupid, no, really stupid amounts of money to run.

I don't recall it costing that much. IIRC he replaced the gearbox, but what were the other expenses ? (bearing in mind it was racking up thousands of miles each month).

[sjmoore]

Came close to buying a 456 last year (need 4 seats so 550/575 not an option). Found a really nice example but head was saying buy a nearly new 911. I liked the looks of the 456 and the sense of occasion but was too nervous about things going wrong and the potential difficulty in selling it on: I spoke to two official Ferrari dealers here in Switzerland and they would only take a 456 in part exchange for a new or newer Ferrari and wouldn't buy 456s for cash. Hardly a ringing endorsement! In the end went for a 997 2S. As expected, absolutely no problems. Plus it was more fun to drive. But whenever I see a 456 I do get a slight twinge of regret.

[JayP1]

sjmoore said:

Came close to buying a 456 last year (need 4 seats so 550/575 not an option). Found a really nice example but head was saying buy a nearly new 911. I liked the looks of the 456 and the sense of occasion but was too nervous about things going wrong and the potential difficulty in selling it on: I spoke to two official Ferrari dealers here in Switzerland and they would only take a 456 in part exchange for a new or newer Ferrari and wouldn't buy 456s for cash. Hardly a ringing endorsement! In the end went for a 997 2S. As expected, absolutely no problems. Plus it was more fun to drive. But whenever I see a 456 I do get a slight twinge of regret.

Think I'm going to do the same soon...997 C2S = supercar performance - supercar unreliability

[anonymous-user]

Walton said:

Jeez. This reads like a Ferrari press release on their used car scheme. Feed the journo some nice machinary and tracktime, bore him to death with how great their used scheme is and watch in amazement as an 'unbiased' article on it gets published.

I'm in no doubt Ferrari will sell you a nicely checked over car, but when you consider the markup over an indi or private sale it doesn't seem such an amazing deal.

If it was me I'd get an independent specialist to check over a car I was looking to buy. They'd be more thorough than many 'wrench monkeys' and not have any conflict of interest.

PH has been going this way for a long time but tbh it was expected after being sold on to Haymarket.....

[ferrarimark]

BOR said:

Obiwonkeyblokey said:

I went for the 575 ( in silver) as I adored the shape and the V12. The fact that mine costa little more than a nice 550 was a bonus.

Yeahbut.. why is the 575 "better value" than the 550 ? What is it about the 575 that buyers dislike ?

Ive had both,did 24000 miles in my silver 575,no problems except a broken driveshaft £260.00 fitted in 30 mins.Interior much nicer in the 575 and don't be fooled by bhp figures, anyone who has driven both knows the 575 feels 100bhp faster and the f1 shift is mega at full chat. I de-cated mine and removed back boxes sounded like thunder. Ive had everything excpt a TVR. (tried to buy a 420SEAC) In 1990 at some dealer in Barnet but they couldn't get it going LMAO,As to the favoured 550 issue...the 550 was loved by everyone,and was (is) a great car.The 575 when initially introduced was softened up(primarily for USA market) plus of course it was regarded as an update therefore did not have the same impact as the then NEW model 550.The Fiorano pack recaptured the poise and made the car magic again.Probably my favourite of all time!!!Though my Honda NSX was a wicked car too. If you have the budget you won't go far wrong with the 575. Thats my opinion, Of course opinions differ but they are usually opinions of people that have never had one and probably "wouldn't want one if you gave it to them" you know the type.

[ferrarimark]

kambites said:

TVR653X said:

kambites said:

I still think the bonnet vent is just plain ugly.

But necessary.

Is it really? Could they not have ducted air up from the front grill or moved the airbox or something?

In fact looking at pictures of the engine bay, the intakes aren't there at all, so what's the purpose of the vent? Is it just there for cooling?

Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th December 19:20

ACTUALLY, if you look at the two 4inch holes either side of the rad I can tell you these connect to a ram air system (two 4 inch holes in the underbonnet skin) that leads directly into the bonnet vent, so all the induction goes through the bonnet vent as it is a sealed system once the bonnet is closed. As for cooling,thats what the for wing vents are for (2 each side)

[ferrarimark]

vinceh said:

One small point everybody seems to be forgetting - you may be able to afford to buy this 'bargain' Ferrari, but can you afford to run it? Used Ferraris cost a FORTUNE to run and everytime it goes to a garage you are looking at minimum four figure bills. And they go to the garage often.

Doubting what I say? Well, I'll just point out that EVO's Harry Metcalfe decided to buy a 550 a while ago, and although he loved it, he got rid of it quite quickly because it was costing stupid, no, really stupid amounts of money to run. If someone like Metcalfe can't afford to run a used Ferrari (and presumably the company was picking up the bills), what hope have the rest of us mere mortals got?

That is so wrong and misleading!!!
I did 7500 miles in a 26000 mile 550 and 24000 miles in my 575 and never ever had a service bill of four figures, I think you'll find that because Harry Metcalfes (company) was picking up the bill was precisely why they were thousands of pounds. Whatever you say about Main Dealers I never felt Lancaster Ferrari ever "robbed" me and the bills were nothing like those sorts of figures. Maybe Harry's car was a Wa**k*r in the first place. I seem to remember Evo paid £4000.00 for an exhaust on a mk1 Capri once. Thats money talking.

[ferrarimark]

kambites said:

The 599 presumably does OK without a big hole in the bonnet. Maybe they didn't notice the cooling problem until relatively late in the program when it was too late to change the front end substantially so they just grafted the intake on?

It's a shame because I think the 575 and 550 are lovely looking cars... except for the bonnet which just looks stupid to my eye.

The engine intake is on the bonnet because thats where it needs to be...Remember the Maranello series was the first production car they designed in their then brand new state of the art F1 wind tunnel. Don't you think the bonnet would look strange totally flat as there are no other lines to follow unlike a 599 that does vent hot air through the bonnet. I can assure you 100%,the bonnet vent was always going to be there and its nothing to do with cooling.Had the laws not been changed the 550 and 575 would have looked tottaly diferent anyway as Ferrari would have opted for their favoured pop up headlamps.

Edited by ferrarimark on Thursday 17th December 13:35

[ferrarimark]

kambites said:

The 599 presumably does OK without a big hole in the bonnet. Maybe they didn't notice the cooling problem until relatively late in the program when it was too late to change the front end substantially so they just grafted the intake on?

It's a shame because I think the 575 and 550 are lovely looking cars... except for the bonnet which just looks stupid to my eye.

The engine intake is on the bonnet because thats where it needs to be...Remember the Maranello series was the first production car they designed in their then brand new state of the art F1 wind tunnel. Don't you think the bonnet would look strange totally flat as there are no other lines to follow unlike a 599 that does vent hot air through the bonnet

Edited by ferrarimark on Monday 7th June 11:28

[Bebs]

vinceh said:

One small point everybody seems to be forgetting - you may be able to afford to buy this 'bargain' Ferrari, but can you afford to run it? Used Ferraris cost a FORTUNE to run and everytime it goes to a garage you are looking at minimum four figure bills. And they go to the garage often.

Doubting what I say? Well, I'll just point out that EVO's Harry Metcalfe decided to buy a 550 a while ago, and although he loved it, he got rid of it quite quickly because it was costing stupid, no, really stupid amounts of money to run. If someone like Metcalfe can't afford to run a used Ferrari (and presumably the company was picking up the bills), what hope have the rest of us mere mortals got?

Utter rubbish. I've put 80,000 miles on my Fezza and it only goes to the garage once a year for a service! All this stupidness about them going wrong all the time and bla bla bla is just plain rubbish. Its the most reliable car I have ever had!
Every man and his dog always know better - except they've actually never owned one.

[JayP1]

Bebs said:

vinceh said:

One small point everybody seems to be forgetting - you may be able to afford to buy this 'bargain' Ferrari, but can you afford to run it? Used Ferraris cost a FORTUNE to run and everytime it goes to a garage you are looking at minimum four figure bills. And they go to the garage often.

Doubting what I say? Well, I'll just point out that EVO's Harry Metcalfe decided to buy a 550 a while ago, and although he loved it, he got rid of it quite quickly because it was costing stupid, no, really stupid amounts of money to run. If someone like Metcalfe can't afford to run a used Ferrari (and presumably the company was picking up the bills), what hope have the rest of us mere mortals got?

Utter rubbish. I've put 80,000 miles on my Fezza and it only goes to the garage once a year for a service! All this stupidness about them going wrong all the time and bla bla bla is just plain rubbish. Its the most reliable car I have ever had!
Every man and his dog always know better - except they've actually never owned one.

Very true - too many 'experts' on here who have only actually read EVO, although my comment isn't aimed at Vinceh who does actually appear to have owned a nice selection of cars.

Edited by JayP1 on Thursday 17th December 16:14