RE: Ruf Unveils Electric Cayenne
Discussion
Of course, and any engine loses power with age and wear but I'm sceptical about them working huge battery powered SUVs when they can't get toothbrushes, phones, drills, ipods or anything battery powered to work that well.
We need early adopters to iron the bugs out of these things but bagsy not be me
We need early adopters to iron the bugs out of these things but bagsy not be me
Johnpidge said:
Oh and all the electricity comes from burning fosil fuels in the uk
Why does this matter?One of the reasons we are stuck with the internal combustion engine is because of the vast infrastructure built around it and the huge number of private cars that depend on it. It takes many years to move the majority of the population from their current cars. Once you've done that, you can then replace all the fossil fuel power stations with nuclear or any other source you want.
Think of an electric car as "you've done your bit, now it's the governments turn"
Isn't this just some kind of offset-the-emmissions malarkey? If they produce some zero CO2 output cars, they'll get less flack regarding the 'real' cars they also tweek?
To me it seems almost like an apology of a car.
Let's face it, 2.7 tonnes, 10 seconds to 60, Sub 100mph top speed and sub 200miles range is nothing to get excited about.
To me it seems almost like an apology of a car.
Let's face it, 2.7 tonnes, 10 seconds to 60, Sub 100mph top speed and sub 200miles range is nothing to get excited about.
Dibby said:
Of course, and any engine loses power with age and wear but I'm sceptical about them working huge battery powered SUVs when they can't get toothbrushes, phones, drills, ipods or anything battery powered to work that well.
We need early adopters to iron the bugs out of these things but bagsy not be me
Frankly, you'd have to pay me to drive either a petrol or electric SUV. We need early adopters to iron the bugs out of these things but bagsy not be me
My schoolboy Physics tells me that it would take exactly the same amount of energy to move this behemoth around the place, whatever the power source being used. But the batteries make it a lot heavier and therefore a lot less efficient than the IC version and it also takes a lot more energy to build the electric version and even more to recycle it at the end of it's ( shorter ) working life .
In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
HFEVO2 said:
My schoolboy Physics tells me that it would take exactly the same amount of energy to move this behemoth around the place, whatever the power source being used. But the batteries make it a lot heavier and therefore a lot less efficient than the IC version and it also takes a lot more energy to build the electric version and even more to recycle it at the end of it's ( shorter ) working life .
Your schoolboy physics would be wrong, then.I quite like the irony of this.... (a very non-green electric car being unveiled at a climate change conference, that is). If big petrol engines are all world destroyers then all electric motors have to be world savers, therefore the same people who brand all big / 4x4 / performance cars as the source of all evil should embrace this happily using the same logic? And if it gets Ruf more money to spend on big petrol engines then all the better. 
Mr Gear said:
People already DO buy them! They already are a viable solution for quite a few people. Hateful though they are, my neighbour has a Gwiz that he says paid for itself in 2 years.
The majority of people will find the upcoming range-extended hybrids are ideal for every day use.
Bring it on. That said, I don't think a 3 ton pig of a converted Porsche is particularly bright, but I think it serves its purpose for Ruf.
Did he use it as a hippy taxi? grow tomatoes in it?The majority of people will find the upcoming range-extended hybrids are ideal for every day use.
Bring it on. That said, I don't think a 3 ton pig of a converted Porsche is particularly bright, but I think it serves its purpose for Ruf.
HFEVO2 said:
My schoolboy Physics tells me that it would take exactly the same amount of energy to move this behemoth around the place, whatever the power source being used. But the batteries make it a lot heavier and therefore a lot less efficient than the IC version and it also takes a lot more energy to build the electric version and even more to recycle it at the end of it's ( shorter ) working life .
In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
It takes the same energy, but a petrol engine has to burn about 4 times the energy it actually ends up getting to the wheels. What do you think makes all that heat energy down the exhaust and going into the radiator. In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
Next point with an electric is you can regain the energy when braking which helps, only a little mind.
I can understand people arguing electric is nonsense but hybrids.... you dont plug then in so fossil fuels dont really have anything do to with them.
You can't put coal into a car at the moment anyway. Cars are quite specific what they run on, making electricity in a powerstation? you can use pretty much anything, its why an electric car is the dirtiest it will be the day you buy it, where as anything IC just gets dirtier and dirtier.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/2/Prius_II_Gre...
Doesn't really matter how much energy you think it might need to recycle a battery, you can't do that with fuel, it doenst get to the petrol station either without requiring big transport costs and distilling energies.
I have always liked the Cayenne shape to be honest.
But I have to say this is just a publicity stunt. One to get some funding for more research???
As much as we might NOT like it, China is actually leading the world in a lot of ways.
Not just birth control either!
Nobody wants pollution in the middle of cities, if your unlucky enough to live in one.
China is leading with Electric cars, Electric bikes and hybrids. Go look for BYD Cars.
A bit of History now.
Electric cars were originally MORE popular that IC engine cars in the 1890's!!!!
That was until they invented the ELECTRIC starter motor!
Why? Because women could not start the buggers with the starting handle and they were LESS reliable!
Take the blinkers off lads!
But I have to say this is just a publicity stunt. One to get some funding for more research???
As much as we might NOT like it, China is actually leading the world in a lot of ways.
Not just birth control either!
Nobody wants pollution in the middle of cities, if your unlucky enough to live in one.
China is leading with Electric cars, Electric bikes and hybrids. Go look for BYD Cars.
A bit of History now.
Electric cars were originally MORE popular that IC engine cars in the 1890's!!!!
That was until they invented the ELECTRIC starter motor!
Why? Because women could not start the buggers with the starting handle and they were LESS reliable!
Take the blinkers off lads!
JonnyVTEC said:
HFEVO2 said:
My schoolboy Physics tells me that it would take exactly the same amount of energy to move this behemoth around the place, whatever the power source being used. But the batteries make it a lot heavier and therefore a lot less efficient than the IC version and it also takes a lot more energy to build the electric version and even more to recycle it at the end of it's ( shorter ) working life .
In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
It takes the same energy, but a petrol engine has to burn about 4 times the energy it actually ends up getting to the wheels. What do you think makes all that heat energy down the exhaust and going into the radiator. In terms of emissions therefore, all these Hybrids and pure electric cars are a nonsense. Until 100% of the electricity comes from wind power ( impossible ) or Nuclear ( at least a possibility )they are simply a distraction.
The Prius may make Hollywood Celebs feel incredibly smug but they would be greener if they drove an 25 year old landrover or jeep.
So not much in it.
There is also the small problem that the rare earth materials needed to manufacture these super efficient motors and some of the batteries comes from China and the Chinese have helpfully decided they intend to limit their export with the intention that if Western companies want to use this stuff then they have to manufacture their parts in China.... !!
alock said:
Article said:
315kg (or about three-and-a-half fat people)
Bugger. If the definition of fat is 14 stone I'd better join a gym.It looks ugly and its got s
t performance but then this is the early days of EV's and something other than the ICE is going to be the way forward for mainstream transport so these sort of developments have to happen, its how we learn.
In short, good effort, but no cigar, NEXT!!!
The weight and rechgarge time for batteries is the big killer for any EV it seems!eta with current technologies......
t performance but then this is the early days of EV's and something other than the ICE is going to be the way forward for mainstream transport so these sort of developments have to happen, its how we learn. In short, good effort, but no cigar, NEXT!!!
The weight and rechgarge time for batteries is the big killer for any EV it seems!eta with current technologies......
Edited by XJSJohn on Friday 11th December 03:26
PascalBuyens said:
Fire99 said:
Let's face it, 2.7 tonnes, 10 seconds to 60, Sub 100mph top speed and sub 200miles range is nothing to get excited about.
3 pages down on comments before the first remark ever falls about that..94mph??? My RRS 2.7 TDV6 is faster than that
It'll do fine for the school run. Even easier for the mums who can't drive to run over each others kids when the kids can't hear them coming. /stereotype
Edited by kambites on Friday 11th December 08:33
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