No more Falken FK452's

[Kentish]

Gazado said:

Call me stupid (and by that, I mean, don't literally call me stupid!) but if there is a reduced rolling resistance, does that mean lower grip performance???

I agree.

Grip = Friction = Noise.

The more grip the greater the friction the greater the noise. Newtons laws of physics, shirley?

[RobCrezz]

I dont think the 912 is the replacement, thats like the mid range tyre, not the grippy one like the 452.

[fieldl]

I was told this by my tyre supplier a few months ago whilst looking for replacements for the worn 452s on the car. They eventually managed to get them so maybe it's just short supply.....

[Boneman]

jon- said:

The ZE912 was a replacement for the ZE512, it's aimed at a different segment. The FK912 as per the OP doesn't exist.

The FK452 was a replacement for the FK451. I don't see them withdrawing it from market without a FK453 ready to go.

The tyre industry is shockingly bad for disinformation. No need to get upset yet. I'll see what i can get from contacts.

Edited by jon- on Monday 21st December 11:20

Agree. Common sense and information prevail.

I've actually just had a set of ZE912's fitted to the Volvo, to replace the Michelin PS2s that I had last time. £80 vs £200 and well impressed with grip, traction and a lot less road noise. Oh and also ride quality improved. I'm a Falken convert.

[jon-]

I've emailed a contact at Micheldever (sole UK importer of Falken) to see what the score is. Will report back when I hear something.

[Jaguar steve]

Boneman said:

jon- said:

The ZE912 was a replacement for the ZE512, it's aimed at a different segment. The FK912 as per the OP doesn't exist.

The FK452 was a replacement for the FK451. I don't see them withdrawing it from market without a FK453 ready to go.

The tyre industry is shockingly bad for disinformation. No need to get upset yet. I'll see what i can get from contacts.

Edited by jon- on Monday 21st December 11:20

Agree. Common sense and information prevail.

I've actually just had a set of ZE912's fitted to the Volvo, to replace the Michelin PS2s that I had last time. £80 vs £200 and well impressed with grip, traction and a lot less road noise. Oh and also ride quality improved. I'm a Falken convert.

+1 for the FK912's. I've got them on my XJ and think they are better than the OE Pirellis for comfort and noise levels. But that's what they are for - a touring tyre, not a high performance one like the FK452.

[Boneman]

Jaguar steve said:

Boneman said:

jon- said:

The ZE912 was a replacement for the ZE512, it's aimed at a different segment. The FK912 as per the OP doesn't exist.

The FK452 was a replacement for the FK451. I don't see them withdrawing it from market without a FK453 ready to go.

The tyre industry is shockingly bad for disinformation. No need to get upset yet. I'll see what i can get from contacts.

Edited by jon- on Monday 21st December 11:20

Agree. Common sense and information prevail.

I've actually just had a set of ZE912's fitted to the Volvo, to replace the Michelin PS2s that I had last time. £80 vs £200 and well impressed with grip, traction and a lot less road noise. Oh and also ride quality improved. I'm a Falken convert.

+1 for the FK912's. I've got them on my XJ and think they are better than the OE Pirellis for comfort and noise levels. But that's what they are for - a touring tyre, not a high performance one like the FK452.

Agreed. As it's an S80...it's definitely a barge and therefore needs barge tyres. I have had 452's on something more sporty (engine at the wrong end is a clue) and they were fantastic. Mate of mine has just forked out £800 for a set of Michelins for his A4 (only a 2.0 T)....i did try to persuade him....

I'd love an XJ.....thinkin of a 2.7 tdvi as the next motor....

[jon-]

ZE912, not FK912!!

[Jaguar steve]

jon- said:

ZE912, not FK912!!

Indeed you're right

(memo to self - don't rely on memory, put down coffee, get off fat arse and go outside to actually look)

[Jaguar steve]

Boneman said:

Jaguar steve said:

Boneman said:

jon- said:

The ZE912 was a replacement for the ZE512, it's aimed at a different segment. The FK912 as per the OP doesn't exist.

The FK452 was a replacement for the FK451. I don't see them withdrawing it from market without a FK453 ready to go.

The tyre industry is shockingly bad for disinformation. No need to get upset yet. I'll see what i can get from contacts.

Edited by jon- on Monday 21st December 11:20

Agree. Common sense and information prevail.

I've actually just had a set of ZE912's fitted to the Volvo, to replace the Michelin PS2s that I had last time. £80 vs £200 and well impressed with grip, traction and a lot less road noise. Oh and also ride quality improved. I'm a Falken convert.

+1 for the FK912's. I've got them on my XJ and think they are better than the OE Pirellis for comfort and noise levels. But that's what they are for - a touring tyre, not a high performance one like the FK452.

Agreed. As it's an S80...it's definitely a barge and therefore needs barge tyres. I have had 452's on something more sporty (engine at the wrong end is a clue) and they were fantastic. Mate of mine has just forked out £800 for a set of Michelins for his A4 (only a 2.0 T)....i did try to persuade him....

I'd love an XJ.....thinkin of a 2.7 tdvi as the next motor....

I'd love an XJ.....thinkin of a 2.7 tdvi as the next motor....

Yup, nice cars but if you're serious I'd check out rust - yes really - and reliability issues first. The early ally bodied ones suffer from patchy paint quality, corrosion and the fit and finish is poor for such an expensive car. IMHO avoid the larger wheel diameter options, the air suspension gives a firm enough ride quality as it is without putting low profile tyres on.

Honest John has a full road test of the XJ6 diseaseial on his site.

[AB]

Just had 2x 452's put on the back of the Z4. Wonderful tyres for the relatively small amount of money.

[Ecurie Ecosse]

Just ordered some yesterday for my Dad's W203 from www.blackcircles.com (205/55/16/Ws).

They didn't mention any difficulties with stock and did a cracking deal too (cheaper for that size than all the other sites I checked, and £10 off as a repeat customer.

[jon-]

Well the importer hasn't bothered to return my email, but Falken have released their 2010 datapack and the FK452 is included.

Panic over...

[bigdods]

ANd just to say it again... its ZE921 not FK912 and the 912 is very much a mid range tyre, it has nothing like the grip and performance of the FK452 and is a cheaper tyre to buy.

I've had 452's and 912's on my Omega , the 912s are ok but the 452s were better in the wet. But as a motorway tyre the 912 seems a tad quieter and softer, and of course cheaper.

I have 452's on all my other cars and they are excellent (and long may they continue!). The 912 is not a tyre you should consider as a potential replacement for FK452s it doesnt have anything liek the grip in the dry and in the wet its quite average.

[pits]

The more and more I hear about this EU ste the more and more I am thinking of going UKIP

[douglasr]

After seeing 452's recommended on the 350Z forum I replaced my rears before winter set in. I've just fitted another due to a big feckin nail in the sidewall. No problem getting one at all.
They do generate a little more noise, but its marginal compared to the Toyos I had before.

I wonder how they carry out these tests - I assume a mule vehicle on a rolling road or just a wheel and tyre mounted on a rig of some description ?

[AB]

Why is the 452 so cheap? I can't get over it.

They're excellent in the wet, have transformed the car over the very worn mid range tyres that were on it before obviously but I think they're better than the GSD3's on the 8 also.

[jon-]

AB said:

Why is the 452 so cheap?

Because, as a rule, they're not as good as polished all round compared to something like a Michelin Pilot Sport or Goodyear Eagle F1

[AB]

I'd argue otherwise, seem like a quite a well kept secret these Falkens!

Half the price too.

[douglasr]

AB said:

I'd argue otherwise, seem like a quite a well kept secret these Falkens!

Half the price too.

Agreed, I'm sure Goodyear and Michelin spend a lot more on development, but they also spend a hell of a lot more on marketing...