RE: Group Test: The Ultimate Air-Cooled 911
Discussion
FishFace said:
wtdoom said:
skid said:
andy74b said:
markmullen said:
Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.
maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk. 1. If they're servicing or storing your car then big no no and you have a right to throw toys out of the pram.
2. If you've asked them to sell your vehicle on any kind of sale or return (SOR)basis, then what the hell do you expect???? If it's sale or return they haven't risked any capital in funding the stock, but they've put the effort in to marketing your vehicle, rather than one they have ten's of thousand's of pounds invested in. It's all to easy for a dealer to leave a sale or return car at the back of the lot becasue there's no risk in it. So if indeed your relationship with them is oa SOR basis then I'd say get off your bloody high horse! What do you expect, them to NOT do their job??????
Jeez, cars don't sell them selves you know!
Mark (a former dealer)
as for you " mark , former dealer " . how bloody dare you ? how unbelievable an opinion .
a dealer makes a tidy sum from an sor thank you very much ( youd know tis if you were any good . ) also in the current climate dealers should be fighting to get a 993 gt2 in their showrooms .
it seems obvious to me why you are a former dealer . i give none of my cars to the press to drive .
it is my choice to make not yours . even if you take no commission from me i would much rather you gave me the car back with a " i cant sell this take it back please and heres a bill for the storage " .
please explain to me how journalists ragging a car to within an inch of its life helps sell a car . if you are in the market for a 993 gt2 you know all about them and ( with respect to journalists out there ) do not need another review confirming that you like it .
i am truly stunned at your ignorance .
"ragging a car to within an inch of its life" - says who?
RacingPete said:
These three cars are simply epic and I have to admit that being privileged to drive them for an afternoon is a memory I will keep till I own one of them myself. I always thought my first lottery purchase would be a 997 GT3 RS, after driving the 993 GT2 I now know that this will not be the case and I will be straight away up to SCOM to buy the grey one I drove.
Though I am surprised by the comments of everyone saying that they can't believe they let a journalist drive the car. Obviously the wheel spinning loutish behaviour of Top Gear on their road tests has tainted the view that when someone from the press jumps in a car they have no mechanical respect for the car and just have to "rag the car to an inch of its life". That is far from the truth, every single car I have road tested I have treated as my own and in this case I drove the cars with more respect than I would have if I was testing the car for the view of buying it. Personally I find it insulting that the fact we were not interested in buying the cars (though if we had the money we would be snapping them up) that we would be hooligans looking to joy ride the car.
All the cars on the day were treated incredibly well around roads I know like the back of my hand (having grown up in Malton) and I think they were better treated than if any joe public off the street had come in looking to buy.
life is very simpleThough I am surprised by the comments of everyone saying that they can't believe they let a journalist drive the car. Obviously the wheel spinning loutish behaviour of Top Gear on their road tests has tainted the view that when someone from the press jumps in a car they have no mechanical respect for the car and just have to "rag the car to an inch of its life". That is far from the truth, every single car I have road tested I have treated as my own and in this case I drove the cars with more respect than I would have if I was testing the car for the view of buying it. Personally I find it insulting that the fact we were not interested in buying the cars (though if we had the money we would be snapping them up) that we would be hooligans looking to joy ride the car.
All the cars on the day were treated incredibly well around roads I know like the back of my hand (having grown up in Malton) and I think they were better treated than if any joe public off the street had come in looking to buy.
as far as i am concerned andy and baf are correct
if maltons or pistonheads or the queen had taken my car out without my permission i had done the same
whether you are f1 driver quality or not does not matter
it is the principle and this constitutes a serious breach of trust
if you apologise apologise but without trying to justify whats not justifyable
Garlick said:
PH obviously didn't mean to offend anyone by publishing this article. We drove the cars in good faith and if we have caused any upset we can only apologise.
Paul I don't think anyone is upset with PH. I also am not sure anyone is really upset with Specialist cars entirely, the guy who represented them was polite and courteous trying to explain (unlike the famous AVO blunder from years ago 
!) most of the wrath seems to be directed at the Mark, former cars salesmans arrogant attitude!Garlick said:
PH obviously didn't mean to offend anyone by publishing this article. We drove the cars in good faith and if we have caused any upset we can only apologise.
Please do not apologise . Keep these articles coming and do not be afraid to review old cars . Personally I have spoken to my friends at Specialist Cars of Malton and am happy for my 993 rs to stay there . It was the " former " trader that I found irritating .
Gaz. said:
RacingPete said:
Though I am surprised by the comments of everyone saying that they can't believe they let a journalist drive the car. Obviously the wheel spinning loutish behaviour of Top Gear on their road tests has tainted the view that when someone from the press jumps in a car they have no mechanical respect for the car and just have to "rag the car to an inch of its life"
I think you hit the nail on the head there. I'm very much on the fence here, but had SCOM lent my 944 to PH, Classic & Sportscar or possibly Evo I wouldn't have minded the free publicity (though Andy makes a very valid point regarding the prospective buyers of a GT2 are quite likely to know all there is to know) but if anything I'd worry that the review would be negative, but had some Jap importer handed my Supra to Top Gear, Max Power or some Drift website I'd have been pissed off if they had failed to sell it afterwards (would you want it back?)
I guess it depends whom lent to who.
Very amusing - great advatorial; not much detail but not much driving by the sounds of it!
FishFace said:
wtdoom said:
skid said:
andy74b said:
markmullen said:
Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.
maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk. 1. If they're servicing or storing your car then big no no and you have a right to throw toys out of the pram.
2. If you've asked them to sell your vehicle on any kind of sale or return (SOR)basis, then what the hell do you expect???? If it's sale or return they haven't risked any capital in funding the stock, but they've put the effort in to marketing your vehicle, rather than one they have ten's of thousand's of pounds invested in. It's all to easy for a dealer to leave a sale or return car at the back of the lot becasue there's no risk in it. So if indeed your relationship with them is oa SOR basis then I'd say get off your bloody high horse! What do you expect, them to NOT do their job??????
Jeez, cars don't sell them selves you know!
Mark (a former dealer)
as for you " mark , former dealer " . how bloody dare you ? how unbelievable an opinion .
a dealer makes a tidy sum from an sor thank you very much ( youd know tis if you were any good . ) also in the current climate dealers should be fighting to get a 993 gt2 in their showrooms .
it seems obvious to me why you are a former dealer . i give none of my cars to the press to drive .
it is my choice to make not yours . even if you take no commission from me i would much rather you gave me the car back with a " i cant sell this take it back please and heres a bill for the storage " .
please explain to me how journalists ragging a car to within an inch of its life helps sell a car . if you are in the market for a 993 gt2 you know all about them and ( with respect to journalists out there ) do not need another review confirming that you like it .
i am truly stunned at your ignorance .
"ragging a car to within an inch of its life" - says who?
Garlick said:
In reply to earlier comments, I think that PH should be reviewing more 'older'' cars like this as it proves to be an interesting read and is something that I think readers enjoy.
In reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
so in other words the owner refuse to give it to youIn reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
you then go to the dealer who provides it without owners knowledge and consent
id feel bad,very bad ,almost sick.....................
tomkat said:
Garlick said:
In reply to earlier comments, I think that PH should be reviewing more 'older'' cars like this as it proves to be an interesting read and is something that I think readers enjoy.
In reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
so in other words the owner refuse to give it to youIn reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
you then go to the dealer who provides it without owners knowledge and consent
id feel bad,very bad ,almost sick.....................
tomkat said:
Garlick said:
In reply to earlier comments, I think that PH should be reviewing more 'older'' cars like this as it proves to be an interesting read and is something that I think readers enjoy.
In reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
so in other words the owner refuse to give it to youIn reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
you then go to the dealer who provides it without owners knowledge and consent
id feel bad,very bad ,almost sick.....................
Clearly PH aproached molton asking if they could help, Molton agreed, feeling that they would get their customers cars more exposure and thus sell them faster and at a better price. It would seem that Molton have not handled this as well as they should, and if one of those cars were mine then i would feel a bit peeved, but i would really hope that the problems are through a lack of forethought rather than through dishonesty or incomepetence. Good intentions, but not quite delivering tjhe desired result!
pugwash4x4 said:
tomkat said:
Garlick said:
In reply to earlier comments, I think that PH should be reviewing more 'older'' cars like this as it proves to be an interesting read and is something that I think readers enjoy.
In reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
so in other words the owner refuse to give it to youIn reply to the comments of borrowing cars from dealers, we are really left with no choice but to do so. We (PH) want to drive interesting cars and unless owners offer them to us we need to rely on specialist dealers to loan us the metal. I don't think dealer supplied cars is a bad thing if it means that we can deliver a great feature.
you then go to the dealer who provides it without owners knowledge and consent
id feel bad,very bad ,almost sick.....................
Clearly PH aproached molton asking if they could help, Molton agreed, feeling that they would get their customers cars more exposure and thus sell them faster and at a better price. It would seem that Molton have not handled this as well as they should, and if one of those cars were mine then i would feel a bit peeved, but i would really hope that the problems are through a lack of forethought rather than through dishonesty or incomepetence. Good intentions, but not quite delivering tjhe desired result!
we both were talking in generic terms and garlick after andy -the owner- stated his view
i am sure garlick feels bad and surely he did not know but still feels bad.a situation not created by him but scom;hence they feel bad too
they all apologised and the owner will draw their conclusions
maybe ph or else will check beforehand---knowing that some private owners refuse-- to check with scom or else whether the cars provided are owned or held in trust
just a small difference--even with best intentions
wtdoom said:
FishFace said:
wtdoom said:
skid said:
andy74b said:
markmullen said:
Just for the record PH towers asked if they could borrow some of our cars for this article. No money changed hands, we provided the cars and fuel, valeted them afterwards etc, all we ever ask (and this is the same of the print magazines who use our cars) is that they leave our Malton plates on the cars, not a lot to ask I think.
maybe you should ask the owners permission before you lend out their cars. Not really happy that first thing I know is logging on and seeing my car. Will arrange to collect as soon as I am back in uk. 1. If they're servicing or storing your car then big no no and you have a right to throw toys out of the pram.
2. If you've asked them to sell your vehicle on any kind of sale or return (SOR)basis, then what the hell do you expect???? If it's sale or return they haven't risked any capital in funding the stock, but they've put the effort in to marketing your vehicle, rather than one they have ten's of thousand's of pounds invested in. It's all to easy for a dealer to leave a sale or return car at the back of the lot becasue there's no risk in it. So if indeed your relationship with them is oa SOR basis then I'd say get off your bloody high horse! What do you expect, them to NOT do their job??????
Jeez, cars don't sell them selves you know!
Mark (a former dealer)
as for you " mark , former dealer " . how bloody dare you ? how unbelievable an opinion .
a dealer makes a tidy sum from an sor thank you very much ( youd know tis if you were any good . ) also in the current climate dealers should be fighting to get a 993 gt2 in their showrooms .
it seems obvious to me why you are a former dealer . i give none of my cars to the press to drive .
it is my choice to make not yours . even if you take no commission from me i would much rather you gave me the car back with a " i cant sell this take it back please and heres a bill for the storage " .
please explain to me how journalists ragging a car to within an inch of its life helps sell a car . if you are in the market for a 993 gt2 you know all about them and ( with respect to journalists out there ) do not need another review confirming that you like it .
i am truly stunned at your ignorance .
"ragging a car to within an inch of its life" - says who?
"R U 4 reeeel", I sense Mr G Nazi might have actually imploded up his own backside.
johnnywishbone....all I'll say is...having the press drive your car is not going to sell it is it...a potential buyer (whom I would assume you have vetted to make sure he wasn't a tyre kicker) is a different matter...although the write up and additional sales blurb in the article may contribute minimally to a sale I think the article would be more of a service to SCOM.....thankfully all has ended well but it may well have not.....what would you be saying to the owner if said journo had stuffed it (it's not unheard of) anyway I'd rethink the way you approach this matter in future
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