TVR Sagaris Or Nissan GTR...

[RobM77]

peterpeter said:

sleep envy said:

peterpeter said:

Still though 1 hour or so is not enough to really test a car. Do you think those Evo /Autocar/Car/Performance Car/ Road and Track road tests are for an hour and on Motorways?

no, they are undoubtedly for longer - at least a morning or afternoon but any experienced scribbler who can't get a feel for a car within an hour or so really shouldn't be where they are

in any case, don't mistake that I'm saying the GT-R is a bad car, far from it

its limits are just too high for it to hold any interest for me

fair enough.

Where do you live?, because around kent, the roads are ste. Either too busy or now policed with 50 mph limits/

If Evo go to Wales for a road test, they always give a few paragraphs at the start of the review saying what the car's like on the motorway over there.

[L33]

EDLT said:

ScottishSamurai said:

(Sagaris) But get it in an insanely lairy colour!

+1

Thats MY Sag - (no - really it is).

Had it about a year any its been an absolute dream to own. Was for sale very recently but changed my mind as I don't think I could replace it with anything this side of £80k and get the same grin every time I started her up. Every drive - no maatter what it is, is an event.

On a charity track day I did last year (only did about 10 laps to see what she could do), I was amazed by how good she was. One thing that did pee me off is getting overtaken by a couple of GTRs though - I just couldn't keep up with them. Not a huge amount in it, but I'm ashamed to say the GTR is the quicker car.

As others have said, head says GTR, heart says Sag.

Prices for Sags appear to be on the increase at the moment too, so you could try and convience the missus that its an investment!

[ScottishSamurai]

L33 said:

EDLT said:

ScottishSamurai said:

(Sagaris) But get it in an insanely lairy colour!

+1

Thats MY Sag - (no - really it is).

Had it about a year any its been an absolute dream to own. Was for sale very recently but changed my mind as I don't think I could replace it with anything this side of £80k and get the same grin every time I started her up. Every drive - no maatter what it is, is an event.

On a charity track day I did last year (only did about 10 laps to see what she could do), I was amazed by how good she was. One thing that did pee me off is getting overtaken by a couple of GTRs though - I just couldn't keep up with them. Not a huge amount in it, but I'm ashamed to say the GTR is the quicker car.

As others have said, head says GTR, heart says Sag.

Prices for Sags appear to be on the increase at the moment too, so you could try and convience the missus that its an investment!

That sir, is beautiful. My dream TVR, fancy trading it for a MG ZR with a dodgy alarm?

[L33]

I thank you
Add in a bag of skittles and you've got yourself a deal!

[ScottishSamurai]

L33 said:

I thank you
Add in a bag of skittles and you've got yourself a deal!

Deal! Though I can't help but feel your taking advantage of my offer

[Godzilla]

It's totally unfair to post a picture of a Sag in this colour

and a GT-R in red which is easily its least flattering colour; so to allow a fair visual comparison, allow me to post mine:


600hp with just a remap and an exhaust, 0-60mph in 3.0s, 0-100mph in 7.0s.

Most telling recent review is in the current issue of evo (140) where they do a group test on the road (not track) against the £120k 997.2 TT and £125k R8 V10. Not only did it win convincingly, but what surprised me most is that they took the GT-R as the default benchmark and the other two failed to beat it, not the other way round!

A few owners reports here: http://www.auto-journals.com/journals/Nissan?model...

The Sagaris is jaw-droppingly gorgeous and has an unbeatable presence, but if you simply want the better driving machine (which also happens to be a lot more practical) there isn't a professional journalist alive who wouldn't pick the GT-R...

[900T-R]

To be fair though, most of those motoring journalists live in fairyland where a test drive involves a jaunt to the Alps and back or at least seeking out deserted back roads somewhere in North Wales. There's no doubt about which is the better car; as far as I'm concerned though there is also no doubt which is the better proposition for people with jobs and lives who want to experience the essence of driving whenever they find themselves in a car and not just on high days and holidays.

[Mr Whippy]

Makes you wonder why Nissan release it in a selection of greys, and a single red, when subtle shades such as that do it justice.

Also makes you wonder why Nissan didn't just remap it and fit a better exhaust and add £5,000 to the cost, for a 600bhp GT2/V10 R8 killer!?

Hmmm

Dave

[Streetrod]

Godzilla said:

It's totally unfair to post a picture of a Sag in this colour

and a GT-R in red which is easily its least flattering colour; so to allow a fair visual comparison, allow me to post mine:


600hp with just a remap and an exhaust, 0-60mph in 3.0s, 0-100mph in 7.0s.

Most telling recent review is in the current issue of evo (140) where they do a group test on the road (not track) against the £120k 997.2 TT and £125k R8 V10. Not only did it win convincingly, but what surprised me most is that they took the GT-R as the default benchmark and the other two failed to beat it, not the other way round!

A few owners reports here: http://www.auto-journals.com/journals/Nissan?model...

The Sagaris is jaw-droppingly gorgeous and has an unbeatable presence, but if you simply want the better driving machine (which also happens to be a lot more practical) there isn't a professional journalist alive who wouldn't pick the GT-R...

Godzilla, what do you think of the recently well documented issues that the GTR seems to have with repair costs for minor shunts. As an owner I would be interested in your views

[robsti]

Godzilla said:

It's totally unfair to post a picture of a Sag in this colour

and a GT-R in red which is easily its least flattering colour; so to allow a fair visual comparison, allow me to post mine:


600hp with just a remap and an exhaust, 0-60mph in 3.0s, 0-100mph in 7.0s.

Most telling recent review is in the current issue of evo (140) where they do a group test on the road (not track) against the £120k 997.2 TT and £125k R8 V10. Not only did it win convincingly, but what surprised me most is that they took the GT-R as the default benchmark and the other two failed to beat it, not the other way round!

A few owners reports here: http://www.auto-journals.com/journals/Nissan?model...

The Sagaris is jaw-droppingly gorgeous and has an unbeatable presence, but if you simply want the better driving machine (which also happens to be a lot more practical) there isn't a professional journalist alive who wouldn't pick the GT-R...

Hi,how much does a GTR cost to run?not so much fuel but brakepads ,oil change,and running costs that someone would encounter running one as an everyday car at about 10k miles a year?
Cheers.

[Godzilla]

6000 mile services are only £175 or so. Dunno about the 12k one because I haven't needed one yet, but shouldn't be horrendous.

IF you can stay away from tracks, then running costs should be very reasonable. However if you are a regular track goer, like me, then tyre and brake costs are very high as can be expected for a 500+hp 1.7 tonne road car.

Set of 4 tyres is about £1100-£1200 (for OEM Bridgestones), brake discs from AP Racing are about £200 each, pads are about £300 a pair. But it sure is a lot of fun blowing away GT3 RSs and the like!

That pop-up bonnet thread has resulted in some major reviews of costs and it appears the dealer concerned was being a little "insurance-friendly" shall we say. Collisions that set that system off are rare, the bonnet does not have to be replaced. And anyway that's what insurance is for.
I doubt Sagaris repair costs are ever going to be cheap or get any cheaper as parts get rarer...

[robsti]

Godzilla said:

6000 mile services are only £175 or so. Dunno about the 12k one because I haven't needed one yet, but shouldn't be horrendous.

IF you can stay away from tracks, then running costs should be very reasonable. However if you are a regular track goer, like me, then tyre and brake costs are very high as can be expected for a 500+hp 1.7 tonne road car.

Set of 4 tyres is about £1100-£1200 (for OEM Bridgestones), brake discs from AP Racing are about £200 each, pads are about £300 a pair. But it sure is a lot of fun blowing away GT3 RSs and the like!

That pop-up bonnet thread has resulted in some major reviews of costs and it appears the dealer concerned was being a little "insurance-friendly" shall we say. Collisions that set that system off are rare, the bonnet does not have to be replaced. And anyway that's what insurance is for.
I doubt Sagaris repair costs are ever going to be cheap or get any cheaper as parts get rarer...

Sounds very cheap!There is a lot of talk about thousands for disks and pads!Thanks for the info I will have to get a test drive.

[DJC]

The 6k service is a hell of a lot cheaper than it was for a Sagaris !

[peterpeter]

would back up what David says.

The GTR has been alot cheaper than I thought it would be if you believe the internet guff.
Ive had it nearly a year and its cost me no more a 911 would or did. ..in fact its probably been a bit less
I always went for non official discs and pads anyway for my 911s, so Ill do the same for the GTR and they are pretty reasonable and even better if you change them yourself,
which being brembos ought to be easy
Tyres are a touch more, (at about £1200 a set) but they are far bigger than the 18s I used before so no surprised there.

people on 12 and 18k services are coming back with good reports too.

[redtwin]

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

[blindswelledrat]

redtwin said:

equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.
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The GTR is one of my favourite cars ever.
In 'auto' it is one of my least favourite.
The mind boggles as to how someone can design such a flawless car yet make such awful software for the auto function. Its like it the software was written on a ZX Spectrum by a fat fingered spastic.

Not that anyone would ever get a GTR for its aut function!

[DJC]

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

[tim2100]

I have spent some time in a mates GTR. It is the most complete car I have ever been in. Supremely quick on the road and amazing on track. My mate is a very very quick driver (ex racer). On track he just puts the car into RRR mode and leaves it in Auto. Finds the gearbox superb and changes exactly when he wants it to. Even with traction control turned on he gets some good sideways action.

TVR Sagg is an amazing beast but day to day i would prefer to be driving the GTR, and drive the Sagg on a Sunday.

[Walter Sobchak]

The GTR is an amazing car, it's super quick I would love to have a go in one but my God that Sagaris is stunning, plus likely to be worth the same amount in years to come as they wern't built in any great numbers, if I had money to spare I think I would opt for a 500+ BHP supercharged Sag, the only thing I hate about the Sagaris is that I can't afford one at the moment

Edited by Walter Sobchak on Thursday 28th January 13:18

[freakynessless]

The Sag is by far and away the sexier option, but the GTR is an engineering and technological masterpiece and incredible VFM if you consider the competition it could beat on a race track. Also, not forgetting that it will be somewhat more reliable too. Vote has to go to GTR.