TVR Sagaris Or Nissan GTR...

[peterpeter]

blindswelledrat said:

redtwin said:

equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.
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The GTR is one of my favourite cars ever.
In 'auto' it is one of my least favourite.
The mind boggles as to how someone can design such a flawless car yet make such awful software for the auto function. Its like it the software was written on a ZX Spectrum by a fat fingered spastic.

Not that anyone would ever get a GTR for its aut function!

actually BSR, with RRR mode on, I have had a couple of bloody great hoots with the car in Auto.
Its still much better in manual of course, but the character changes pretty dramatically when Race transmission goes on
Its very intelligent and seems to know exactly when to change down/up. Far better than merc. AMG autos imo

[blindswelledrat]

And do you need the actual traction control off for the transmission to go into race mode?

I only know from its normal functions (my wife hates paddles because she is a woman) that it changes up a gear when it hits about700 revs. By the time you are up to 15mph or so it is in 6th. Insane.

[justin220]

Seems quite a popular topic! I think the head said GTR and heart says Sagaris for me now.

I'm going to have a drive in a GTR when I'm back on dry land and see if I like it.

Must admit, after getting used to the auto RRS, I found driving the manual box in my GF's punto a total pain in the ass..

[Mr Whippy]

justin220 said:

Seems quite a popular topic! I think the head said GTR and heart says Sagaris for me now.

I'm going to have a drive in a GTR when I'm back on dry land and see if I like it.

Must admit, after getting used to the auto RRS, I found driving the manual box in my GF's punto a total pain in the ass..

A manual in a gutless car is no better than an auto in a gutless car though. Can't compare a manual Punto with an auto RRS to choose preference on gearbox

Add lots of power and auto and manual are not so bad, but it must be said auto gets lots better with more power

Dave

[jon-]

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

Perhaps not so compared to TVR's of yonder... but in the context of your quote it certainly is compared to an AWD car with the full playstation addons.

[900T-R]

Mr Whippy said:

A manual in a gutless car is no better than an auto in a gutless car though.

Um, loads better. Small engined cars with automatics (slushbox or CVT) I've tried have been invariably frustrating through their reluctance to choose a gear and stick with it for more than a second to drive while their manual counterparts can be quite entertaining in a thrash the nuts off it sort of way.

[Mr Whippy]

900T-R said:

Mr Whippy said:

A manual in a gutless car is no better than an auto in a gutless car though.

Um, loads better. Small engined cars with automatics (slushbox or CVT) I've tried have been invariably frustrating through their reluctance to choose a gear and stick with it for more than a second to drive while their manual counterparts can be quite entertaining in a thrash the nuts off it sort of way.

Hehe, sorry, thats not what I meant, but I couldn't realise why in the way I wrote it

I mean as in to make the comparison with. Ie, a manual in a high powered car is no better a comparison for auto vs manual, with an auto in a low-powered one.

Either way, not really relevant to the GTR or Saggy. Both are flexible enough to be great with either, so it's all down to personal preference

I keep being sorely tempted to do the Scotland tour in Rio Prestiges Saggy... I'm sure it's a fantastic driving car from what I keep reading! Cripes, if Rio send people around the Highlands in it for a week at a time they must be pretty confident in it's reliability!

Dave

[redtwin]

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

As often as you like. Unfortunately, whether it is deserved or not, TVRs have that reputation.

[lazyitus]

redtwin said:

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

As often as you like. Unfortunately, whether it is deserved or not, TVRs have that reputation.

But we're not talking TVR in general here. The subject car is a Sagaris and the comment is from first hand experience in the particular car in question.

[cc8s]

lol Justin, you never let me know! Sagaris all the way!! S&E could lend you their one if you wanted a GTR;)

[redtwin]

I give up.

The Sagaris is a soft, friendly, snuffly-bunny sort of car and anyone suggesting that they, and TVRs in general, are lairy would be sadly misguided.

Quite why more driving schools don't use TVRs as learner cars is beyond me.

How is that?.

[JR]

redtwin said:

I give up.

That would have been a good move but then you carried on. Do you think that all Porsches are the same? Are all Fords the same? Or for this thread I suppose that you also believe that all Nissans are the same.

[havoc]

Sagaris...because if you got the GT-R you'd see (and HEAR) a Sagaris go past one day and know you'd wimped-out and made the wrong decision!

(And because the depreciation over 2-3 years on the GT-R would pay for any TVR repair bills twice over, if you need a sensible reason.)

[DJC]

jon- said:

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

Perhaps not so compared to TVR's of yonder... but in the context of your quote it certainly is compared to an AWD car with the full playstation addons.

No, as in an absolutely context.

Just how hard a concept is this for you hairy chested macho lot to understand?

At the crack of dawn, 300+miles from home, after a soaking night drive through the rain up north and with it still raining I pulled into Scotch Corner services. I got in the passenger seat, threw the keys to my fiance and said you drive and I went to sleep. Which she then did with no problem, easily on a soaking A1 and I kipped as she drove us into Durham.

The car was reasonably new and fairly valuable. She had never driven it before. She was only, I think, 25 or so at the time and had driven nothing more powerful than a Rover 214i. She had no problems at all.


The Sagaris is not lairy, unless you are all saying a 25yo girl with no experience is an inherently better driver than you punch of wierdos.

Edited by DJC on Thursday 28th January 21:06

[jon-]

DJC said:

jon- said:

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

Perhaps not so compared to TVR's of yonder... but in the context of your quote it certainly is compared to an AWD car with the full playstation addons.

No, as in an absolutely context.

Just how hard a concept is this for you hairy chested macho lot to understand?

At the crack of dawn, 300+miles from home, after a soaking night drive through the rain up north and with it still raining I pulled into Scotch Corner services. I got in the passenger seat, threw the keys to my fiance and said you drive. Which she then did with no problem, easily on a soaking A1 and drove us into Durham.

The car was reasonably value and fairly valuable. She was only I think 25 or so at the time and had driven nothing more powerful than a Rover 214i. She had no problems at all.

The Sagaris is not lairy, unless you are all saying a 25yo girl with no experience is an inherently better driver than you punch of wierdos.

I don't get your point. Your girlfriend could pootle along in a caparo t1 with you behind her without issue. Give her it for 20,000 miles a year and there's a FAR greater possibility that the car will bite her in the ass due to a small lapse in right foot concentration. The playstation would be less likely to. This is fact.

I'm not a weirdo, my track car is possibly closer to a TVR than most cars and yes, my 22 year old girlfriend can drive it no problem. I wouldn't want her to do 20k/year in it though.

[Rochester TVR]

As an everyday car I'd take the GTR...

Love the Sag, but I wouldn't want it as my only car.

[redtwin]

Rochester TVR said:

As an everyday car I'd take the GTR...

Love the Sag, but I wouldn't want it as my only car.

You must not be a 25 year old girl then.

[Rochester TVR]

lazyitus said:

But we're not talking TVR in general here. The subject car is a Sagaris and the comment is from first hand experience in the particular car in question.

I agree with DJC on this one aswell... so that two first hand experiences now.

All I would say is that it deserves respect...

[slipstream 1985]

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

[Rochester TVR]

redtwin said:

Rochester TVR said:

As an everyday car I'd take the GTR...

Love the Sag, but I wouldn't want it as my only car.

You must not be a 25 year old girl then.

Unfortunately not!