TVR Sagaris Or Nissan GTR...

[havoc]

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

[D14 AYS]

obscene said:

Sag, especially the guy on here who brings his dark green one to the PH events. Just bloody lovely in that colour

[Rochester TVR]

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

[havoc]

I'd still take the Sagaris.

[DJC]

jon- said:

DJC said:

jon- said:

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

Perhaps not so compared to TVR's of yonder... but in the context of your quote it certainly is compared to an AWD car with the full playstation addons.

No, as in an absolutely context.

Just how hard a concept is this for you hairy chested macho lot to understand?

At the crack of dawn, 300+miles from home, after a soaking night drive through the rain up north and with it still raining I pulled into Scotch Corner services. I got in the passenger seat, threw the keys to my fiance and said you drive. Which she then did with no problem, easily on a soaking A1 and drove us into Durham.

The car was reasonably value and fairly valuable. She was only I think 25 or so at the time and had driven nothing more powerful than a Rover 214i. She had no problems at all.

The Sagaris is not lairy, unless you are all saying a 25yo girl with no experience is an inherently better driver than you punch of wierdos.

I don't get your point. Your girlfriend could pootle along in a caparo t1 with you behind her without issue. Give her it for 20,000 miles a year and there's a FAR greater possibility that the car will bite her in the ass due to a small lapse in right foot concentration. The playstation would be less likely to. This is fact.

I'm not a weirdo, my track car is possibly closer to a TVR than most cars and yes, my 22 year old girlfriend can drive it no problem. I wouldn't want her to do 20k/year in it though.

We did do 20k miles a year in it. Indeed, Im probably/possibly the only bloke outside of Phill James and Quicky to have done so, though Richard and John may have a claim on that aswell, and that include touring through France and Britain. Letting her drive in all conditions and all times of the night.

The car simply isnt scary and there is a very good reason for it...the long travel pedal and the nature of the power delivery. Basically there is fk all to cause any trouble to anyone below 4000 revs.

The car is an absolute doddle to drive, quickly or slowly.

[slipstream 1985]

Rochester TVR said:

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

fair enough.

sagaris all the way.

if i want to drive something like the skyline il put forza 3 on for a bit.

but regardless of the original question my point still stands. a second car for only winter or bad weather could be had for 500 all in

[D14 AYS]

The Sagaris is a great car and an easy car for day to day use, had mine nearly a year now and it will be with me for many years to come

[Rochester TVR]

slipstream 1985 said:

if i want to drive something like the skyline il put forza 3 on for a bit.

[peterpeter]

blindswelledrat said:

And do you need the actual traction control off for the transmission to go into race mode?

I only know from its normal functions (my wife hates paddles because she is a woman) that it changes up a gear when it hits about700 revs. By the time you are up to 15mph or so it is in 6th. Insane.

no you can drive in any combo.
but if you go into auto and drive like a slag the box behaves like one too!!

[Rochester TVR]

DJC said:

jon- said:

DJC said:

jon- said:

DJC said:

redtwin said:

As an only car, the GTR. The Sagaris would be great fun to own, but on that icy cold January night when a good friend calls and is in desperate need of some help the last thing I want to be doing is worrying about keeping the lairy Sagaris out of a ditch.

I haven't driven either, but sometimes you just want to get where you are going with minimal fuss and circumstance, therefore sticking the 4WD, ABS and stability control equipped GTR into "auto" and pootling along cannot be downplayed.

Edited by redtwin on Thursday 28th January 10:13

The sagaris isnt lairy.

How often do I need to say this?

Perhaps not so compared to TVR's of yonder... but in the context of your quote it certainly is compared to an AWD car with the full playstation addons.

No, as in an absolutely context.

Just how hard a concept is this for you hairy chested macho lot to understand?

At the crack of dawn, 300+miles from home, after a soaking night drive through the rain up north and with it still raining I pulled into Scotch Corner services. I got in the passenger seat, threw the keys to my fiance and said you drive. Which she then did with no problem, easily on a soaking A1 and drove us into Durham.

The car was reasonably value and fairly valuable. She was only I think 25 or so at the time and had driven nothing more powerful than a Rover 214i. She had no problems at all.

The Sagaris is not lairy, unless you are all saying a 25yo girl with no experience is an inherently better driver than you punch of wierdos.

I don't get your point. Your girlfriend could pootle along in a caparo t1 with you behind her without issue. Give her it for 20,000 miles a year and there's a FAR greater possibility that the car will bite her in the ass due to a small lapse in right foot concentration. The playstation would be less likely to. This is fact.

I'm not a weirdo, my track car is possibly closer to a TVR than most cars and yes, my 22 year old girlfriend can drive it no problem. I wouldn't want her to do 20k/year in it though.

We did do 20k miles a year in it. Indeed, Im probably/possibly the only bloke outside of Phill James and Quicky to have done so, though Richard and John may have a claim on that aswell, and that include touring through France and Britain. Letting her drive in all conditions and all times of the night.

The car simply isnt scary and there is a very good reason for it...the long travel pedal and the nature of the power delivery. Basically there is fk all to cause any trouble to anyone below 4000 revs.

The car is an absolute doddle to drive, quickly or slowly.

Never really enjoyed driving at night as I found that the wing mirrors were the perfect height to reflect the following cars headlights directly into my eyes... ended up pointing them down at night, which made lane changes interesting!

Have you found this problem on yours?

[DJC]

No.

But then I always preferred driving at night so Im biased. My Passat at the moment though seems a bugger for the headlight thing.

[justin220]

Mr Whippy said:

A manual in a gutless car is no better than an auto in a gutless car though. Can't compare a manual Punto with an auto RRS to choose preference on gearbox

Add lots of power and auto and manual are not so bad, but it must be said auto gets lots better with more power

Dave

Aye good point! I hope it isn't me getting lazy and liking Auto's!

cc8s said:

lol Justin, you never let me know! Sagaris all the way!! S&E could lend you their one if you wanted a GTR;)

Ah sorry! I'll give you a shout when I'm home next

[justin220]

Rochester TVR said:

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

Exactly. I don't want or need two cars. Buying a car for £500 is all fine and well, but I don't do the mileage to justify two insurances, two amounts of running costs etc.

[Godzilla]

I'm not sure why anyone posts threads like this. Surely if you're an enthusiast, you should at least test drive both first then ask the opinion of others if you're really undecided?

To dismiss either without driving both is madness IMO.

[slipstream 1985]

justin220 said:

Rochester TVR said:

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

Exactly. I don't want or need two cars. Buying a car for £500 is all fine and well, but I don't do the mileage to justify two insurances, two amounts of running costs etc.

your heart wants the tvr

your head wants the gtr

its not between the two cars its between your perception of yourself. are you finished with crazy impractical cars and want something a bit more sensible but still a PH car? or happy to still be hooning about "putting up" with the dissadvantages of the tvr

[havoc]

justin220 said:

Rochester TVR said:

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

Exactly. I don't want or need two cars. Buying a car for £500 is all fine and well, but I don't do the mileage to justify two insurances, two amounts of running costs etc.

Do some decent sums. Work out exactly how much per year a snotter would cost you to run:-
- £150 tax
- £100 service
- £200 insurance
(ignore fuel and wear&tear as any miles on this will be miles not put on the main car, so irrelevant).

Now compare that £500 a year bill to the amount of annual depreciation you'll suffer on a new/near-new R35 GT-R. And tell me it doesn't make sense for those occasions you really wouldn't want to take your P&J somewhere?!?

[nottyash]

I like my cars reliable and well made. GTR for me, but I love the TVR;)

[jon-]

havoc said:

justin220 said:

Rochester TVR said:

havoc said:

slipstream 1985 said:

if you can afford either you can afford a second snotter car. small corsa clio or what not thats fine for snow rain car park dings etc.


so tvr all the way

Except the OP asked if you had to choose one as your ONLY car....

Exactly. I don't want or need two cars. Buying a car for £500 is all fine and well, but I don't do the mileage to justify two insurances, two amounts of running costs etc.

Do some decent sums. Work out exactly how much per year a snotter would cost you to run:-
- £150 tax
- £100 service
- £200 insurance
(ignore fuel and wear&tear as any miles on this will be miles not put on the main car, so irrelevant).

Now compare that £500 a year bill to the amount of annual depreciation you'll suffer on a new/near-new R35 GT-R. And tell me it doesn't make sense for those occasions you really wouldn't want to take your P&J somewhere?!?

Even if I had a Ferrari on the drive I'd still commute in a snotter. Same with trips to the supermarket. I'm far more relaxed when I'm not worrying about mileage or someone denting my door in a car park!

[TVRMARK500]

Sorry can't help myself, I'm bored.

So the shoebox on wheels that drives itself or the eurofighter on steds which demands talent.


I know which one I bought

Edited by TVRMARK500 on Monday 18th October 10:16

[Cactussed]

I've owned a Tuscan.
I've owned a GTR.

TVR is much more special. Hands down.

As an only car. GTR. No brainer.

Personally, not being really sure whether a trip to XX would result in coming back on a truck takes away a LOT of the gloss. As will the fist time you have to go somewhere on a cold, wet, miserable evening. Then you'll enjoy things like A/C and heating that works, and decent wipers and visibility, and decent traction and comfort.