RE: 'Yump' For Joy As Spyker Saves Saab

RE: 'Yump' For Joy As Spyker Saves Saab

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tgx4776

241 posts

192 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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oilit said:
One not insignificant issue will be the dealerships - does Spyker/Vauxhall really want to allow the Vauxhall dealerships in the UK to sell SAAB.

And I cant see a SAAB for sale at this place:- http://www.broughtons.co.uk/spyker
*ahem*


http://www.broughtons.co.uk/approvedused/saab

Edited by tgx4776 on Wednesday 27th January 18:28

oilit

2,634 posts

179 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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that doesnt count - its new ones im talking about!

Lefty Two Drams

16,175 posts

203 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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BlueEyedBoy said:
fluffnik said:
Roberty said:
Something RWD would be nice.
Not from Saab!

Saab have never made a RWD car.
They missed a trick when they were looking at the Scooby Platform. 4 wheel drive, turbo, classy interior and a brand that is not BMW could get a lot of customers.
Subaru's are many things, but classy interiors?

scratchchin

Oily Nails

2,932 posts

201 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Lefty Two Drams said:
BlueEyedBoy said:
fluffnik said:
Roberty said:
Something RWD would be nice.
Not from Saab!

Saab have never made a RWD car.
They missed a trick when they were looking at the Scooby Platform. 4 wheel drive, turbo, classy interior and a brand that is not BMW could get a lot of customers.
Subaru's are many things, but classy interiors?

scratchchin
Classy Exteriors? scratchchin

dandarez

13,294 posts

284 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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I think I was the only one who said Spyker would get the deal weeks ago. Victor Muller is no fool and those writing this off will have to wait and see. I think we will all get surprised by what he achieves. Spyker is specialist, no rush, no need.

Lefty Two Drams

16,175 posts

203 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Oily Nails said:
Lefty Two Drams said:
BlueEyedBoy said:
fluffnik said:
Roberty said:
Something RWD would be nice.
Not from Saab!

Saab have never made a RWD car.
They missed a trick when they were looking at the Scooby Platform. 4 wheel drive, turbo, classy interior and a brand that is not BMW could get a lot of customers.
Subaru's are many things, but classy interiors?

scratchchin
Classy Exteriors? scratchchin
wink

groomi

9,317 posts

244 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Spyker will surely scale down Saab and turn them into a niche premium market player. Pitch them against BMWs, Mercs and Jags but not aiming to sell anywhere near as many - that would then afford them to make marmite cars once again, which as enthusiasts is what we want.

Interesting cars will never sell big enough volumes for mass market companies, so this is the only way to do it. It's a shame for those staff who will inevitably be culled, but at least the company will survive (for now).

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Saab are already a niche player. The likelihood is that they will need a new platform sharing arrangement after their agreement with GM runs out.

But certainly Saab's history of innovation in powertrain design does bode well for the future. I wonder if an agreement with Proton/Lotus would work out...?

robmarrs

235 posts

199 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Well I hope the build quality improves, my wifes SAAB 93 Convertible rattles and shows wear on the trim far beyound its 53K miles. Good luck to them.

Somebody commented RWD ...... Saab is famous for FWD way before it was fashionable or a cost issue, and given the recent snow FWD is far better than RWD, my RWD BM went no where!


loafer123

15,454 posts

216 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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tgx4776 said:
One not insignificant issue will be the dealerships - does Spyker/Vauxhall really want to allow the Vauxhall dealerships in the UK to sell SAAB.
There are a significant number of non-GM branded Saab dealerships, so I can't see that as being a problem.

dinkel

26,967 posts

259 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Signature SAAB cars were: 96, 90 and 900.

Both had a typical and specific audience back in the days. Now they are bought and used - fantastic and practical daily drivers - by both male and female enthusiasts that have a soft spot for butch hacks. I like it that - unlike Volvo - the safety features are part of the design and not too obvious.

I see an audience, worldwide but still niche.

Nice.

Ozzie Dave

565 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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had 6 SAABs in a row, my favorite being a 900T (that was far from standard) caught doing over 240km/h outback Aus in it, suggested that his speed gun was fauty he agreed, put it away and drove off!
Worst a 9-5,put itself in reverse on the freeway at 100Km/h, then accelerated when the brake was pressed, SAAB/GM took the car to check it over but could not fix or find the fault because it was too dangerous to drive, delivered it back to me in that state- I PX'd it the next day, it was still a new car in the dealers eyes.
Good Riddance GM- you screwed them over well in your time.It would be nice to see something that gives as mich fun and reliabilty as my old 900T!

SCREWBOY

45 posts

172 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Really nice to see SAAB back in the game and as others have said with those CRAZY DUTCH GUYS SPYKER!! They should if nothing else be far more original designs than SAAB were sadly turning out at the end. They were mind numbingly bland, my only fear is have they bitten off more than they can chew?? Hope not for both companies.smile

toppstuff

13,698 posts

248 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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Great news. And one in the eye for the cynics who had written Saab off. I always thought that comparisons to Rover were nonsense, because Saab is a global brand with a big legacy of good will around it. There are plenty of them in the US too.

I gather they are bringing out the 9 4 - a kind of Honda CRV/Freelander competitor. I hope so . I would buy one of those.

cooperd5

84 posts

173 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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Twincam16 said:
So any bets the business model is take taxpayer's cash, bonus payments to Russian owners, go bust.
kind of how I see this going... just like MG Rover, Manchester United etc etc

Edited by cooperd5 on Thursday 28th January 10:15

sprinter1050

11,550 posts

228 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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I think I'll just sit in the wings twiddling me fingers & wait & see how this pans out... whistle


Must say.... with the levels of debt being bandied about it seems a bit like uphill skiing to me in the present world climate.

Beefmeister

16,482 posts

231 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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What on earth is this?



Its awesome!

edit: it would appear to be a Sonnet III. Thanks Wikipedia.

Edited by Beefmeister on Thursday 28th January 13:20

Strawman

6,463 posts

208 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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cooperd5 said:
Twincam16 said:
So any bets the business model is take taxpayer's cash, bonus payments to Russian owners, go bust.
kind of how I see this going... just like MG Rover, Manchester United etc etc
GM only agreed to the sale when Spyker agreed to force the Russian shareholder to sell all his shares in the company to the boss of Spyker. What has Man Utd. got to do with taxpayers money confused

Black S2K

1,482 posts

250 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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J4CKO said:
You know, it might just work, say Saab produce a quality, economical, discrete yet quietly classy vehicle that is right for the time they might pull it off, surely peoples tastes may swing from dirty great flash, ugly and fairly wasteful off roaders and thrusty saloons to something a bit more friendly yet still capable type of vehicle.

Maybe people will no longer want to look like a c*nt in a white Q7 or an angry bell end in an A4 S-line with fairy lights ?

I think a lot of people buy Audi's and BMW's but want a Saab, trouble is the 9-3 just isnt good enough, I have one and really it looks like a Saab doing its best stab at being thrusty, it is a good looking car but not a Saab,its a Vectra doing and impression of a Saab doing an impression of a BMW.

At the moment, a lot of the german stuff has a kind of 80's excess about it and is starting to grate and seem out of pace with the times, led lights, shiny bits, spoliers, bulging arches, big wheels, black leather, liquorice profile tyres, general bigness has skewed what actual premium and luxury is into uncomfortable bling and showiness, I hope Saab go their own way and meet a sea change in purchasing habits coming the other way.
biggrin

That's a brilliant post, J4cko!

dinkel

26,967 posts

259 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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I think the days men - especially men - cared about what car to drive are over. I mean: SAAB goes electric in 2014 folks!

The pics posted show days that will never come back. TVR was one of the last cars that tried to be 80s . . . in the new millenium. And how they failed. Not much chance for that in 2010.

I think: 'butch Citroen' would be a good proposition.