along the "brand snobbery" line....

along the "brand snobbery" line....

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briSk

14,291 posts

225 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
briSk said:
...sure but a RRS so aren;t we talking a £30 car outside a £200something grand house..?

mind you we've had that thread and everyone fell out haven't we?

hehe
Maybe, it's an 06 plate and I don't know the spec. So no idea what it cost. He had an almost new X-Type before and a Disco 3 before that. Their house is paid for and he erns good money. So why not?

This is my street, as you can see it's chav central :rolleye: with Barry'd up cars in every drive way tongue out





lol smile
i can;t see those pictures but i'll take your word for it! smile

the road i used to live in in herts was similar. our house had always been private (not that that makes any difference) but our road was a real mix of private, 'neo-private' r-t-b, council... worked well really. couple of pikeys down the road but they were more of the WE HAVE TO SHART AT EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME AS IF WE'RE DEAF sort. otherwise it worked well. and these were 1930s houses so not even interfered with by the planners!

nearest we had was the chinese people who owned the chinese takeaway down the road had a shogun..

y2blade

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56,029 posts

214 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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GravelBen said:
y2blade said:
see above..I don't care about trackday handling
I'm talking about road handling, for trackdays I use the MX5!

If Volvos are your thing (like Subarus for me wink ) then fair play to you and have fun, but I'd still suggest at least driving a Legacy for the sake of comparison.
I will do mate, my neighbour has offered me a drive of his new shape Legacy Diesel boxer .... it is a lovely looking car and as I already said I have sat in it and had a look around inside, it is very nice indeed

smile


blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

231 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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y2blade said:
that is the thing!

it is the opposite with my current car

you just pass by without anyone really batting an eyelid, people let you out of junctions and move-over on the motorway, it doesn't draw any unwanted attention when parked up or when driven at a fair rate of knots for that matter
You'd be suprised how little you get noticed.
As long as you get a relatively stock one- the only people who notice you are car enthusiasts who like it.
I have owned a strange variety of cars (Evo and Volvo at the same time) and I can honestly say that depite the same thought process as you I never once felt self conscious.
IN fact I feel more self conscious in my current old 911 than I ever did in my Evo

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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300bhp/ton said:


So why not?

I had an MGB before the TR and the TR is better in ever respect. I also personally like the way they look and judging by their current global following and record sports car sales for Triumph, many others must agree also.
Yes but the MGB was a truck in a sports car body. It looked sport but was anyhting but to drive.
So yes the TR7 may be better to drive but your not setting the bar very high.

Also, it may have sold well but compared to the TR5 and 6 it is pig ugly IMO.

If they have such a following how come values aren't very high?

As for the ride height, just saying what I see in the picture. If you dropped the ride height by 1" but then fitted tyres with a taller sidewall then you may well have raised the car over all. You can't get under any normal car without a jack so that doesn't tell you much.

Each to their own is all i'm saying...

BIST0

1,204 posts

241 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Whilst a RRS would probably fulfil my modern Range Rover needs better than a FFRR I won't consider one.

Purely as a result of the people I see driving them up here.

I know I should be better than that and rate the car on its own abilities rather than my perception of some of its owners but unfortunately I can't.


collateral

7,238 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Here's a silly 'truth':

205 GTI = Legend

Saxo VTR = omgchavswtflol

What is pretty much the same car comes out again 10 years later and is worthy of derision confused

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Devil2575 said:
300bhp/ton said:


So why not?

I had an MGB before the TR and the TR is better in ever respect. I also personally like the way they look and judging by their current global following and record sports car sales for Triumph, many others must agree also.
Yes but the MGB was a truck in a sports car body. It looked sport but was anyhting but to drive.
Ok then Pete – what would you say is a sports car???

Devil2575 said:
So yes the TR7 may be better to drive but your not setting the bar very high.
What utter nonsense. Can only assume you’ve never actually been in one. Road test of the day commented on how well they went, albeit with lack luster brakes and maybe a bit too comfy.

But a few mods and they are serious performance cars, hence how good they were in competition.

I’m going to assume you either know little history on them or are just playing ignorant.

Bob Tulius was a successful race driver and race team owner. They were called Group 44. He won the SCCA Trans Am Championship in a 500bhp+ Jaguar XJ-S in the late 70’s up against American and European sports cars.

He also campaigned the Triumph TR8. The TR8 was significantly faster than the XJ-S. So much so that the SCCA told Tulius that he couldn’t race the car in the championship unless he wanted to face a huge weight penalty. The car was eventually campaigned in the IMSA GTO class were it saw some success.

Circuit use ran on into the 80’s were it was entered (although sadly never competed) at LeMans sporting a Janspeed twin turbo V8.

Today the cars are still competed on track.

Rallying wise the TR7 V8 was very fast and capable and was one of the quickest tarmac rally cars bar some of the silly Group B specials. Sadly BL pulled the plug on the rallying just as it was to reach its peak.

In years later the bigger, larger and heavier Rover SD1 became a successful Group A car. So evidently the smaller more nimble TR7 V8 still had plenty of potential left.

Devil2575 said:
Also, it may have sold well but compared to the TR5 and 6 it is pig ugly IMO.
That’s very nice but it’s YOUR opinion and quite frankly I couldn’t care less. I like the way the TR7 looks, and judging by the fact its a popular car and many other cars such as the Lancia Stratos, Ferrari 308 GT4, Lotus Esprit, Fiat X1/9 and TVR 350i all have a similar wedgie appearance, logic would suggest many others also like the look of these cars.

Devil2575 said:
If they have such a following how come values aren't very high?
Apart from your question being a good candidate for “dumb question of the month” I’ll try and give an answer.

1. They were not stupid money when new. Most “affordable” cars rarely demand huge money, even when as a classic car.
2. There are lots of them about. Numbers may have dropped over the years, but they are not difficult to buy and there’s plenty of choice. This keeps prices low.
3. They aren’t as old as some other classics. A TR5 is rarer due to age and production numbers, such reasons often mean the demand more.
4. Prices while still affordable have been rising. I paid around £1200 for mine in 2001. If it was in the same condition today it’d probably be worth £2000.
5. V8’s and convertibles are worth more. A genuine TR8 convertible will set you back more than a TVR 350i
6. Genuine works rally cars are worth comparable amounts to other period rally cars of similar origins

Devil2575 said:
As for the ride height, just saying what I see in the picture. If you dropped the ride height by 1" but then fitted tyres with a taller sidewall then you may well have raised the car over all. You can't get under any normal car without a jack so that doesn't tell you much.
Whatever dude, but I can tell you it’s much lower (where it counts, as in the heavy mechanical parts, not the plastic guttering someone has clued to the sides or front of a car as some many modern chavved up wrecks have these days)

Devil2575 said:
Each to their own is all i'm saying...
Er no your weren’t......







Just going back to one of your comments:

Devil2575 said:
So yes the TR7 may be better to drive but your not setting the bar very high.
I’ve actually driven a number of cars, including mid engine sports cars, GT’s, rally replica’s and Jap VTEC screamers.

What exactly is a higher bar?

And you can answer that twice:

Once for if in 1999-2001 you had sub £2k to spend on a sporty car.

And let’s say now, today, if you had say £5k to spend on a sporty car.


Edited by 300bhp/ton on Wednesday 3rd February 17:00

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Looks good to me!


J4CKO

41,280 posts

199 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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I sort of don't care whether TR7's are crap or great, as a ten year old it was the cr to lust after, have the model one and get all excited about when you saw one, remember things were pretty grim motor wise back then and the TR7 was strangely exotic, only a Azure Blue Stag could distract me from a TR7.

I think that red one looks great !

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Mark Benson said:
But Oh my God the chavs have got hold of the classics! Some absolute abortions on sale, and call me prejudiced, but I just don't trust a bloke called 'Daz' who is "Only sellin cuz my gf dont like the color".

I want unmodified, service history for the full life of the car, not just until the chavs got hold and their 'mate' looked after it for them - and 'ICE' and 'zorsts' are definitely not a valuable addition in my book.
My kid sister used to have a classic Impreza Turbo saloon - completely standard, a really nice example - which she sold after having children. She regretted selling it, and went through a succession of other cars before realising that she had the right car in the first place. I thought she'd never find another one that hadn't been chavved, but she found one eventually: '99 classic saloon, totally standard, full Subaru service history, really nice condition inside and out and a bulging folder of every bill ever spent on it. First owner had it for 7 years, second owner for nearly three years and the third owner had only just bought it when he found out that he was going to be a dad and would have to make some sacrifices... 130,000 miles, but even so, a nice car for 1650 quid.

Mark Benson

7,498 posts

268 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
Mark Benson said:
However 99% of the time they look like the council estate Ferrari they undoubtedly are.
The rest of your post was quite good, but this is utter rubbish!

I live on a council estate and there isn't a single Impreza there at all. In fact apart from a stock MG ZS180, stock Focus ST, RRS and a Sport KA all the cars are bog standard normal.
Sorry, just a saying really. No offence meant.

getmecoat

sebhaque

6,402 posts

180 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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Suppose I fit the sterotype of some young oik who's probably smoking while driving his Impreza. I'd like to think I'm a cut above the general YEA BLAD SO WAT I FELL OVA IN MORRISONS AND SUED DEM FOR DA DOLLA FOR DA CAR LOLS folks my age driving Imprezas. Interestingly on my travels I've only ever seen middle-aged folks driving STi's - they're usually pleasantly surprised when I give them a smile and a wave as we go past each other.

Wouldn't exactly call it brand snobbery as the main dealer I bought the car off was surprised to see a kiddy like me buying a cherished example of an Impreza - but then again it's just the few barryboys who drive their oil-less classic Scoobs at 152mph everywhere ruining it for the many. Like said before, The E36 M3 is a fantastic car but I tend to see it as chavvy as they've become a bit more affordable, and the teabags have got their hands on them now. Most M3s trying to race me usually have some trackie behind the wheel saying SAVAGE YA BRUV before powering away after I don't do anything.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
Devil2575 said:
It actually looks like it's been raised!
Well all this shows is you are talking rubbish!

The car has been dropped an 1", ok the 225 tyres are taller than the stock 175's. But it's fairly low to the ground, much lower than a regular car such as a Focus. As in there's no way you could crawl under it without putting it on a jack.
To be fair, all TR7s look as if someone has raised the ride height - it was commented on unfavourably in contemporary reviews.

GravelBen

15,654 posts

229 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2010
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300bhp/ton said:
Rallying wise the TR7 V8 was very fast and capable and was one of the quickest tarmac rally cars bar some of the silly Group B specials. Sadly BL pulled the plug on the rallying just as it was to reach its peak.
Couple of them still rallying down here in NZ, they look a lot of fun actually!

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 4th February 2010
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Mark Benson said:
300bhp/ton said:
Mark Benson said:
However 99% of the time they look like the council estate Ferrari they undoubtedly are.
The rest of your post was quite good, but this is utter rubbish!

I live on a council estate and there isn't a single Impreza there at all. In fact apart from a stock MG ZS180, stock Focus ST, RRS and a Sport KA all the cars are bog standard normal.
Sorry, just a saying really. No offence meant.

getmecoat
Actually I lied. There is an Impreza. A stock 99 MY classic. smile

nickphuket

292 posts

203 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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Had an Impreza Wagon Classic in 2002, got stolen in Manchester. Loved that car, and now have the same model in Phuket, no car thieves know what it is. Think the badge snobbery will make you pay more for a lesser car, had 8 Golf Gti's Mk1 - 4, and the impreza was more fun, sounded nicer (love the exhaust note). You can't really fault the driving experience, just the interior plastics, but that's not really important anyway

wanacoop

1,247 posts

221 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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y2blade said:
GravelBen said:
Papa Hotel said:
there are thousands of alternatives to the 2 rally reps that are as much fun to drive, better equipped, more comfortable, cheaper to buy, insure and fuel and better screwed together.
Like what?
must be AWD
must have more than 200bhp as standard
must be reliable


I'm all ears ears
Celica GT-Four st205:


I loved mine. Most are pretty standard. They are rare, fast, handle great, good looking, good build quality(it never went wrong) and 250bhp standard. Easily tuned to near 300bhp.

Nice, AWD, 200bhp+ reliable rally slag, and NOT chavvy!

Quicker that most people think.


warped head

272 posts

172 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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y2blade said:
briSk said:
you're thinking about a rally weapon aren;t you?!
yes was looking at Version 1-6 Imprezas or even a Version 7

have looked at loads of bdised and chaved up ones on Autotrader and tbh it has pretty much put me off ...

...in a "I don't want to be a part of that" kind of way

to top it off, on Sunday was out for a bit of a run in my T5 and came across a Version 7 Impreza, it was Blue with bright yellow 555 and Subaru rally stickers all over it and bright Yellow extended mudflaps...I just thought "what a COCK"
Friend of mine owns an Impreza and he doesnt get any attention, Its loud, Stripped out, Big brakes (really REALLY big) very low. But the body is standard. Granted it is a tarmac rally car (he does compete) but from what i can understand he never gets any attention from the po-po.

If it suits your needs and its in your budget then go for it.

Worst that happens is you get the chavvy tts in corse-la's and shack-slows trying to 'race' you, and this is easily avoided by slowing down to a crawl and letting them overtake (if safe to do so)

y2blade

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56,029 posts

214 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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wanacoop said:
y2blade said:
GravelBen said:
Papa Hotel said:
there are thousands of alternatives to the 2 rally reps that are as much fun to drive, better equipped, more comfortable, cheaper to buy, insure and fuel and better screwed together.
Like what?
must be AWD
must have more than 200bhp as standard
must be reliable


I'm all ears ears
Celica GT-Four st205:


I loved mine. Most are pretty standard. They are rare, fast, handle great, good looking, good build quality(it never went wrong) and 250bhp standard. Easily tuned to near 300bhp.

Nice, AWD, 200bhp+ reliable rally slag, and NOT chavvy!

Quicker that most people think.
I'd not thought much of the round headlight ones (had preferred the look of the older ones) but like the look of yours smile


good suggestion, noted.
thanks
smile

y2blade

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56,029 posts

214 months

Thursday 11th February 2010
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"£3k worth of mods"

why o why? loser can't the chavs stick to .......'s frown





Edited by y2blade on Thursday 11th February 13:44