New tyre laws '11/'12
Discussion
Ozzie Osmond said:
Progress outrage shocker!
Next thing you know they'll be insisting your new car,
Is fitted with an engine that runs on unleaded fuel
Is fitted with a catalyst
Is fitted with seat-belts
Is fitted with air-bags
Is fitted with rear fog lamps
Is fitted with rear-view mirrors
this is not quite the same is it. In fact in the name of the enviroment where the only consideration is Co2 these new tyres that fit in with the new legislation may not perform anywahere near the same with regards grip and traction. They may be quieter and give 1% more MPG.Next thing you know they'll be insisting your new car,
Is fitted with an engine that runs on unleaded fuel
Is fitted with a catalyst
Is fitted with seat-belts
Is fitted with air-bags
Is fitted with rear fog lamps
Is fitted with rear-view mirrors
progress in one area does not mean overall progress. Plus it will cost us poor saps dearly.
I am quiet ahppy with my £50 federal and £70 Falken I don't want to pay double for a tyre that does not perform as well by my criteria just.
Edited by Pesty on Friday 2nd April 01:02
Fire99 said:
Contrary to popular belief, generally, people who buy cheap tyres do so because they are short on cash. Not just tight.
My dad has got cash falling out of his arse - doesn't stop him replacing single wipers or trying to buy remoulds for my mums BMW 530iSome people just don't "get" tyres.
By the way - someone mentioned "Yellow Sea" tyres: for real? Oh dear god - yes!
http://yellowseatire.com/index_eng.html
Orb the Impaler said:
Some people just don't "get" tyres.
some people drive like they ae driving miss dasy. They dont need ultra high performance tyres.Whatever tyres you have as long as you drive within their limits i.e they are s
te you know they are ste so slow down and even slower in the rain it does not matterEdited by Pesty on Friday 2nd April 02:13
Pesty said:
I am quiet ahppy with my £50 federal and £70 Falken I don't want to pay double for a tyre that does not perform as well by my criteria just.
I'm quite happy with my £175/£220 Michelin PS2s which are optimised for performance rather than longevity too.They help me burn more petrol for each of the few miles I travel.
Plus, as many people have said, what about mud tires etc? Thick s
I have tried federal on my ST after a recomendation of a friend with a subaru. I thought they were fantastic bettter than the pirreli that were on in the first place Since I have had them on the wifes car and my work car again very happy. I don't hang around.
Another freind had Kuhmo KU31 somthing like that on his turbo megane 225 I drove it and again could not fault the tyres.
I have Falken on my Porsche now I have got used to the softer sidewalls again they have enough grip and traction comparable to vastly more expensive tyres I have had on in he past. I have done a track event and two V max events and I am very happy with them.
not tried Avon zz3s but they have a decent rep
Yes I have tried other brands on that list and would agree the are ste, nexen being one of them utter ste.
Had a blow out on the michelin and the place I ended up in only had them in stock. I changed both tyres because I don't like mixing tyres on an axle. What a misstake.
but that does not mean I think its right for some buerocrat to tell me what I can and can't fit because of some bogus thinly vailed tax reasons
Another freind had Kuhmo KU31 somthing like that on his turbo megane 225 I drove it and again could not fault the tyres.
I have Falken on my Porsche now I have got used to the softer sidewalls again they have enough grip and traction comparable to vastly more expensive tyres I have had on in he past. I have done a track event and two V max events and I am very happy with them.
not tried Avon zz3s but they have a decent rep
Yes I have tried other brands on that list and would agree the are s
te, nexen being one of them utter ste.Had a blow out on the michelin and the place I ended up in only had them in stock. I changed both tyres because I don't like mixing tyres on an axle. What a misstake.
but that does not mean I think its right for some buerocrat to tell me what I can and can't fit because of some bogus thinly vailed tax reasons
Edited by Pesty on Friday 2nd April 03:11
Ozzie Osmond said:
Progress outrage shocker!
Next thing you know they'll be insisting your new car,
Is fitted with an engine that runs on unleaded fuel
Is fitted with a catalyst
Is fitted with seat-belts
Is fitted with air-bags
Is fitted with rear fog lamps
Is fitted with rear-view mirrors
Next thing you know they'll be insisting that everyone on PH talk sense, which would preclude the postings of one or two people.Next thing you know they'll be insisting your new car,
Is fitted with an engine that runs on unleaded fuel
Is fitted with a catalyst
Is fitted with seat-belts
Is fitted with air-bags
Is fitted with rear fog lamps
Is fitted with rear-view mirrors
Reading the report, this is already in force for narrower tyre widths.
Begs the question, why can we still buy tyres without the 'S' mark (as I just have); 8 tyres in fact on both of my cars.
One car is SORN and is classic and will go for MOT soon.
The other has an MOT in June.
There's no way I'm binning several hundred pounds worth of brand new perfectly good tyres I have just bought.
I can foresee a lot of people who cannot afford 4 new expensive tyres running around without an MOT.
When all of our roads surfaces are like billiard tables with beautifully smooth tarmac (like the motorway type roads are in France, Germany, Switzerland etc) then this piece of absurd legislation might carry some credibility but with roads like ours, are the tyres the problem?
How familiar are these sights?
Begs the question, why can we still buy tyres without the 'S' mark (as I just have); 8 tyres in fact on both of my cars.
One car is SORN and is classic and will go for MOT soon.
The other has an MOT in June.
There's no way I'm binning several hundred pounds worth of brand new perfectly good tyres I have just bought.
I can foresee a lot of people who cannot afford 4 new expensive tyres running around without an MOT.
When all of our roads surfaces are like billiard tables with beautifully smooth tarmac (like the motorway type roads are in France, Germany, Switzerland etc) then this piece of absurd legislation might carry some credibility but with roads like ours, are the tyres the problem?
How familiar are these sights?
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2010-European...
It's worrying, check out which of the tyres offer the best MPG. Yup, it's the ones the Germans branded as "dangerous" thanks to their poor we and dry handling characteristics...
It's worrying, check out which of the tyres offer the best MPG. Yup, it's the ones the Germans branded as "dangerous" thanks to their poor we and dry handling characteristics...
Hi, It is James from Goodyear Dunlop here....
Don't worry you don't need to throw away tyres that you already have at MOT time. This new rule applies to tyres SOLD from now on, not tyres that are already on cars.
This ruling came into force in the EU in October. The UK received an exemption until last month due to the vast numbers of non-compliant tyres that got shipped into the UK market. All tyres in the Goodyear and Dunlop ranges were compliant last year, so we weren't thrilled with the extension
Here are the rules on S-Marking.
http://www.etrma.org/pdf/2009-07-07_Tyre_Noise_EC_...
Equally important are the new 2012 tyre labelling regulations. Like the labels you see on fridges and freezers when you walk through Currys, these EU labels will show 1) Road Noise 2) Rolling Resistance/Fuel Efficiency and 3) Wet Grip.
We welcome this, as it is difficult to communicate the differences between visually similar tyres to drivers and it will help them make an informed choice. There will be some 'in the know' drivers who if they are looking for a track day tyre, for example, won't care about any of these three factors. However, for the majority of motorists it can only be a good thing.
Don't worry you don't need to throw away tyres that you already have at MOT time. This new rule applies to tyres SOLD from now on, not tyres that are already on cars.
This ruling came into force in the EU in October. The UK received an exemption until last month due to the vast numbers of non-compliant tyres that got shipped into the UK market. All tyres in the Goodyear and Dunlop ranges were compliant last year, so we weren't thrilled with the extension
Here are the rules on S-Marking.
http://www.etrma.org/pdf/2009-07-07_Tyre_Noise_EC_...
Equally important are the new 2012 tyre labelling regulations. Like the labels you see on fridges and freezers when you walk through Currys, these EU labels will show 1) Road Noise 2) Rolling Resistance/Fuel Efficiency and 3) Wet Grip.
We welcome this, as it is difficult to communicate the differences between visually similar tyres to drivers and it will help them make an informed choice. There will be some 'in the know' drivers who if they are looking for a track day tyre, for example, won't care about any of these three factors. However, for the majority of motorists it can only be a good thing.
Edited by Redlake27 on Friday 2nd April 08:47
Edited by Redlake27 on Friday 2nd April 08:48
Slightly off topic, but maybe relevant to those who object to the price of tyres.
This feature, from Evo, gives a rarely seen glimpse into how tyres are built. Before I joined the tyre industry, I used to think some black gunge was poured into a mould. The first time I went around a tyre factory, I was blown away by the sheer number of components that go into a tyre before it is cured.
http://www.evo.co.uk/trackdays/features/235902/mot...
And this doesn't include the R+D side. We are working on bespoke tyres for cars that won't be on sale for at least another three years, but the fine tuning required to get the right handling/grip/efficiency for a specific car takes thousands of miles - and hours.
If you look at the cost of a good tyre versus any number of other accessories and components that are discussed in these forums, I think we may be selling ourselves too low
This feature, from Evo, gives a rarely seen glimpse into how tyres are built. Before I joined the tyre industry, I used to think some black gunge was poured into a mould. The first time I went around a tyre factory, I was blown away by the sheer number of components that go into a tyre before it is cured.
http://www.evo.co.uk/trackdays/features/235902/mot...
And this doesn't include the R+D side. We are working on bespoke tyres for cars that won't be on sale for at least another three years, but the fine tuning required to get the right handling/grip/efficiency for a specific car takes thousands of miles - and hours.
If you look at the cost of a good tyre versus any number of other accessories and components that are discussed in these forums, I think we may be selling ourselves too low
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