New tyre laws '11/'12

[HellDiver]

I've had two new Bridgestone Turanza ER300 fitted in the last week. Both were made in Week 8 of 2010. Neither have the S mark.

Makes you wonder.

[the-photographer]

dylan0451 said:

which means, we've seen the pinnacle of tyre technology (as with car performance?) and from now on (2011/2012) everything we use, for whatever purpose will be just a compromise for the greens. and lo and behold for a worse product we get charged more, probably won't last as long etc.

The new Pirelli Cinturato P7 (green tyre, no aromatic oils etc) won a recent German test (had excellent wear properties);

2010 European Summer Tyre Test

So it is possible to improve on today's "non-green" tyres.

Also see this Economist article, you can do some great things with nano-technology and other new stuff;

Monitor: Rolling out the changes

[SmoothRB]

That is beaurocracy for you...always dreaming up more rules and regulations.

[Rothgo Wooft]

the-photographer said:

Also see this Economist article, you can do some great things with nano-technology and other new stuff;

Monitor: Rolling out the changes

From the economist article:- "Some companies are looking at making more environmentally friendly tyres, using sustainable and renewable biopolymers instead of natural rubber..." ??

The orange flavour ones sound nice tho'.

[tangent police]

If Yoko 032R tyres turn out to be illegal, I will go the whole hog and start running "race" tyres on the road. The only thing stopping me is that they wouldn't have gone through the MOT and I can't be arsed swapping wheels over for an MOT.

We need out of the EU now. They are meant to facilitate trade, not to micromanage every fking aspect of our lives. s.

[Redlake27]

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dylan0451 said:

which means, we've seen the pinnacle of tyre technology (as with car performance?) and from now on (2011/2012) everything we use, for whatever purpose will be just a compromise for the greens. and lo and behold for a worse product we get charged more, probably won't last as long etc.

Disagree totally - It will ensure motorists get a better product, if they want it. Green and Effective.

The new 2012 tyre labelling laws will make it much easier for consumers. Tyre tests such as Auto Express' have come up with some poor results for certain brands - such as a 4 car length difference in stopping distances at just 50mph...

For us petrolheads who read car magazines, it is easy to find out what is good and not so effective. However, when tyres look alike on the shelves of a fast-fit, any clear labelling advice that can guide the non-enthusiast consumer must be a good thing.

[tangent police]

Redlake27] said:

dylan0451 said:

which means, we've seen the pinnacle of tyre technology (as with car performance?) and from now on (2011/2012) everything we use, for whatever purpose will be just a compromise for the greens. and lo and behold for a worse product we get charged more, probably won't last as long etc.

Disagree totally - It will ensure motorists get a better product, if they want it. Green and Effective.

The new 2012 tyre labelling laws will make it much easier for consumers. Tyre tests such as Auto Express' have come up with some poor results for certain brands - such as a 4 car length difference in stopping distances at just 50mph...

For us petrolheads who read car magazines, it is easy to find out what is good and not so effective. However, when tyres look alike on the shelves of a fast-fit, any clear labelling advice that can guide the non-enthusiast consumer must be a good thing.

You have missed the point that the best tyres face a fair chance of being made illegal.

The enthusiasts WILL have the best tyres removed from their choice list.

[Redlake27]

tangent police said:

Redlake27] said:

dylan0451 said:

which means, we've seen the pinnacle of tyre technology (as with car performance?) and from now on (2011/2012) everything we use, for whatever purpose will be just a compromise for the greens. and lo and behold for a worse product we get charged more, probably won't last as long etc.

Disagree totally - It will ensure motorists get a better product, if they want it. Green and Effective.

The new 2012 tyre labelling laws will make it much easier for consumers. Tyre tests such as Auto Express' have come up with some poor results for certain brands - such as a 4 car length difference in stopping distances at just 50mph...

For us petrolheads who read car magazines, it is easy to find out what is good and not so effective. However, when tyres look alike on the shelves of a fast-fit, any clear labelling advice that can guide the non-enthusiast consumer must be a good thing.

You have missed the point that the best tyres face a fair chance of being made illegal.

The enthusiasts WILL have the best tyres removed from their choice list.

Not at all... I'm talking about the 2012 regulation. (see my earlier post) which covers wet safety as well as environmental issues.

Regarding the S-marking legislation, I think you will find most of the tyres that have scored highly in tests recently are still on sale and comply with S-mark rules.

[Pesty]

What about the cost aspect? what will these new technologies cost us?

[Dale19]

Road noise, dont particularly care about, but specifically making a tyre to have low rolling resistance? really dont like that idea one bit.

My car had a firestone eco on the front left when i purchased it, it was massively stter than the other 3, 2 nankang and a wanli? Lost traction under acceleration and cornering alarmingly early, but the most worrying was how little braking force could be applied due to it locking up so easily in the wet.

[otolith]

I have no problem with better labelling, and it will hopefully expose the "just as good mate, made in the same factory..." claims made by people selling ditchfinders - but why just wet grip and not dry grip too?

[tangent police]

Most tyres are a much of a muchness and tweaking the tread is a continually evolving phenomena.

Road legal cut slicks are not apart of the above process.

With my 110dB gearbox, tyre noise is the least of the problem.

[Redlake27]

otolith said:

I have no problem with better labelling, and it will hopefully expose the "just as good mate, made in the same factory..." claims made by people selling ditchfinders - but why just wet grip and not dry grip too?

For simplicity, any more than 3 criteria on the label would be confusing.

The differences in dry grip at road speeds (I appreciate it is different for us petrolheads on track) between brands is still significant,but there is far less of a gap between bad and good. Also, more accidents happen in the wet, hence this decision.

The label doesn't cover a lot of things - (eg: snow grip, ice traction, mud clearing ability, dry handling, tyre life) but I think it is a good thing that it covers the stuff it does.

Fuel efficiency is important - (my Alfa 159 has gained 4mpg on the motorway since a switch to Goodyear EfficientGrip), noise is important in many EU countries (particularly those with paved, rather than tarmac, roads) and wet grip is a lifesaver (with 4 car lengths difference between best and worst stopping distances in a recent Auto Express test)

The regulation will be reviewed in 2016, and the ratings may get even tougher - like EuroNCAP where they raised the bar once everyone got to 4/5 stars.

[otolith]

Redlake27 said:

For simplicity, any more than 3 criteria on the label would be confusing.

Crikey, how thick do they think we are?

I'd have thought that for most people the three most important criteria would be wear, wet grip, dry grip.

[Fox-]

I just read elsewhere that this is an EU 'DIRECTIVE' and not law. It has no bearing on private companies at all until it is ratified as a UK law, and no attempt has been made to do so?

[flemke]

Pesty said:

Not sure who that is aimed at Flemke. Who is not talking sense in this thread?

Perhaps anyone who had

said:

...insisting your new car,
Is fitted with an engine that runs on unleaded fuel
Is fitted with a catalyst
Is fitted with seat-belts
Is fitted with air-bags
Is fitted with rear fog lamps
Is fitted with rear-view mirrors

is in the remotest way equivalent to this tyre-noise control-freakery, or who had confused dictatorship with "progress".

[Pesty]

Cheers

[tangent police]

I wonder if we'll have an EU driven "muffling" of our good old british sports cars.

When people demand my exhaust is 70dB, the engine will be back down to it's factory power level.....comrades.

[Ozzie Osmond]

flemke said:

confused dictatorship with "progress".

You mean like this?

flemke said:

Those motherfking flashing numbers in the upper-right corner are truly offensive. I hate to think how they might affect someone who suffers from epilepsy.

[flemke]

Ozzie Osmond said:

flemke said:

confused dictatorship with "progress".

You mean like this?

flemke said:

Those motherfking flashing numbers in the upper-right corner are truly offensive. I hate to think how they might affect someone who suffers from epilepsy.

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