RE: Driven: The All-New Jaguar XJ
Discussion
300bhp/ton said:
Land Rover are no exception, they used to have some lovely wood in the p38a autobiographies. But the current RR and Disco interiors have nasty looking wood more akin to cheap furniture in a bargain store than a nice motor.
Not sure about that. My 08 Range Rover has lovely piano black wood which looks and feels exactly like my grand piano at home (and gathers dust in the same way as well). can't comment on the other woods, but certainly my Rangie feels a very special place to sit. ProfessorPeach said:
Hmm...
Conspicuous and bold "design" is not a good thing in itself, is it.
A similar point was made on another thread regarding the E60 5-series.
Yes, is isn't a boring design.
Neither is Ann Widdecombe's face.
I can see Sunbeam Rapier in there..(showing my age again)
Nice though.
Conspicuous and bold "design" is not a good thing in itself, is it.
A similar point was made on another thread regarding the E60 5-series.
Yes, is isn't a boring design.
Neither is Ann Widdecombe's face.
I can see Sunbeam Rapier in there..(showing my age again)
Nice though.
Edited by 4sure on Tuesday 2nd March 16:07
What a shame it looks so gross, jags were always such beautiful cars, what a shame. William Lyons always used to start with the best looking sports car shape he could envisage and then change in for practicallity in to a saloon, which is why all the jags designed by him were classics. This lastest creation is unballance and ungainly in proportion (In my opinion) it's looks like a jap car to me, a large Honda or something, what a disapointment, have the new designers all gone blind?
Piffle said:
What a shame it looks so gross, jags were always such beautiful cars, what a shame. William Lyons always used to start with the best looking sports car shape he could envisage and then change in for practicallity in to a saloon, which is why all the jags designed by him were classics. This lastest creation is unballance and ungainly in proportion (In my opinion) it's looks like a jap car to me, a large Honda or something, what a disapointment, have the new designers all gone blind?
Do you have anything at all to back that statement up?Piffle said:
What a shame it looks so gross, jags were always such beautiful cars, what a shame. William Lyons always used to start with the best looking sports car shape he could envisage and then change in for practicallity in to a saloon, which is why all the jags designed by him were classics. This lastest creation is unballance and ungainly in proportion (In my opinion) it's looks like a jap car to me, a large Honda or something, what a disapointment, have the new designers all gone blind?
Great first post. How about posting again when you've actually seen the car on the road?boxin said:
Just watched the video, and have`nt read any previous replies so excuse me if I am repeating anyone elses veiws BUT.... WHATS GOING ON WITH THE SPUPID DRUG DEALER BLACKED OUT GLASS.... spoils a great looking car if you ask me.
Agree - the Dark glass looks daft - But you don't have to spec it... It is isn't standard fit...EdJ said:
Piffle said:
What a shame it looks so gross, jags were always such beautiful cars, what a shame. William Lyons always used to start with the best looking sports car shape he could envisage and then change in for practicallity in to a saloon, which is why all the jags designed by him were classics. This lastest creation is unballance and ungainly in proportion (In my opinion) it's looks like a jap car to me, a large Honda or something, what a disapointment, have the new designers all gone blind?
Great first post. How about posting again when you've actually seen the car on the road?However wrong he may be
I've often wondered if it's a British thing, to say that some awkward fish of a thing is "pretty", simply because it is British? Clarkson always sounds that way to me. Then I realise that this is an unfair assumption - the Aston Martin DB4, the V8 Vantage, (sorry, not the Rapide), the Austin Healy 3 litre, the Daimler Dart, Continental GT and the XK 140 and Mk 2 Jags were truly lovely cars.
Why then, when the XF came out, did no one seem to acknowledge that it looked like a Honda. Very dreary Japanese styling. I again wondered if I was being unfair, but I followed one into work this morning and it had some nice lines but proportions just weren't right. The headlights have a nice aggression about them, but the grill might as well have said Lexus ... Somewhere the car lacks presence. To cap it off, the rear LEDs on the car I was following already had some blown gaps - I'm afraid it simply reminded me of British built quality (in 6 years of ownership, my Discovery never had all the lights all working at the same time, and the petrol cap cover never stayed closed - I used a trip of duct tape to hold it shut from the time I brought it till I wrote it off).
Then we have the new XJ - interesting rear (reminds me of a Citroen more than anything), and same dull front from the XF. I think it suffers from the same proportion problems as the XF as well. As an executive barge, I'm not sure I'd like to go on a long journey in the back with those high sills and the dropping roof line. It simply lacks presence, in my view.
The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
Why then, when the XF came out, did no one seem to acknowledge that it looked like a Honda. Very dreary Japanese styling. I again wondered if I was being unfair, but I followed one into work this morning and it had some nice lines but proportions just weren't right. The headlights have a nice aggression about them, but the grill might as well have said Lexus ... Somewhere the car lacks presence. To cap it off, the rear LEDs on the car I was following already had some blown gaps - I'm afraid it simply reminded me of British built quality (in 6 years of ownership, my Discovery never had all the lights all working at the same time, and the petrol cap cover never stayed closed - I used a trip of duct tape to hold it shut from the time I brought it till I wrote it off).
Then we have the new XJ - interesting rear (reminds me of a Citroen more than anything), and same dull front from the XF. I think it suffers from the same proportion problems as the XF as well. As an executive barge, I'm not sure I'd like to go on a long journey in the back with those high sills and the dropping roof line. It simply lacks presence, in my view.
The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
ikarus said:
I've often wondered if it's a British thing, to say that some awkward fish of a thing is "pretty", simply because it is British? Clarkson always sounds that way to me. Then I realise that this is an unfair assumption - the Aston Martin DB4, the V8 Vantage, (sorry, not the Rapide), the Austin Healy 3 litre, the Daimler Dart, Continental GT and the XK 140 and Mk 2 Jags were truly lovely cars.
The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
Personally, I'd say it's a British thing (certainly by the Fawlty Towers years) to bash our cars/products, rather than any opposite bias. The guys who bought Austin/Rover becasue they were made in the UK are all dead by now, surely? As for the XF looking Eastern, I think that's always going to be an accusation whenever you move away from an anachronistic design to a more modern one.The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
As for the XF- there's no way on I feel it looks "less Jaguar" than, say, the majority of Mercedes offerings since the 90's which look very un-Mercedes. I actually feel the latest Jags to be very Jaguar- The XJ-S, XJ220, XJ-6, E-Type, XK120 were all foreward looking cars that caused a stir. I do know what you mean about the P5, old Jags, Alvis, etc back in the day, but I think that may have simply been a function of the times- I can't think of a single car that has the buzz of an E-Type, 250GTO, or any good classic- cars are all too capable these days.
ikarus said:
I've often wondered if it's a British thing, to say that some awkward fish of a thing is "pretty", simply because it is British? ...
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.... If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
I've often wondered if it's an 'association' thing, to say that some awkward fish of a thing is "pretty", simply because it is Italian? ....
.... If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
Quattroporte for example
ikarus said:
I've often wondered if it's a British thing, to say that some awkward fish of a thing is "pretty", simply because it is British? Clarkson always sounds that way to me. Then I realise that this is an unfair assumption - the Aston Martin DB4, the V8 Vantage, (sorry, not the Rapide), the Austin Healy 3 litre, the Daimler Dart, Continental GT and the XK 140 and Mk 2 Jags were truly lovely cars.
Why then, when the XF came out, did no one seem to acknowledge that it looked like a Honda. Very dreary Japanese styling. I again wondered if I was being unfair, but I followed one into work this morning and it had some nice lines but proportions just weren't right. The headlights have a nice aggression about them, but the grill might as well have said Lexus ... Somewhere the car lacks presence. To cap it off, the rear LEDs on the car I was following already had some blown gaps - I'm afraid it simply reminded me of British built quality (in 6 years of ownership, my Discovery never had all the lights all working at the same time, and the petrol cap cover never stayed closed - I used a trip of duct tape to hold it shut from the time I brought it till I wrote it off).
Then we have the new XJ - interesting rear (reminds me of a Citroen more than anything), and same dull front from the XF. I think it suffers from the same proportion problems as the XF as well. As an executive barge, I'm not sure I'd like to go on a long journey in the back with those high sills and the dropping roof line. It simply lacks presence, in my view.
The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
Again though have you actually seen a new XJ in the flesh?! If no, then you are unable to comment fully on whether the car has presence. Believe me, in the luxury segment, it does stand out from the dreary German opposition and its great that Jaguar design have people talking again.Why then, when the XF came out, did no one seem to acknowledge that it looked like a Honda. Very dreary Japanese styling. I again wondered if I was being unfair, but I followed one into work this morning and it had some nice lines but proportions just weren't right. The headlights have a nice aggression about them, but the grill might as well have said Lexus ... Somewhere the car lacks presence. To cap it off, the rear LEDs on the car I was following already had some blown gaps - I'm afraid it simply reminded me of British built quality (in 6 years of ownership, my Discovery never had all the lights all working at the same time, and the petrol cap cover never stayed closed - I used a trip of duct tape to hold it shut from the time I brought it till I wrote it off).
Then we have the new XJ - interesting rear (reminds me of a Citroen more than anything), and same dull front from the XF. I think it suffers from the same proportion problems as the XF as well. As an executive barge, I'm not sure I'd like to go on a long journey in the back with those high sills and the dropping roof line. It simply lacks presence, in my view.
The thing is, as kid, I loved the smell of leather and the look of burr walnut and the proportions of the big engined British cars with presence (the MK 2, Bentleys, big Rovers etc). As interesting as I was hoping this car would be, it's a miss for me. And I am disappointed about that. If I was in this market, the Quattroporte would still get my money.
As for the XF not having presence too, have you not seen a XFR or even an XF S?! Now compare these cars with the latest 5 Series or the new E Class, now there’s a car that looks like it’s hailed from the Far East!
JLR are producing world beating, contemporary designed, critically acclaimed cars and we should all be proud of that, whether you approve of the latest designs or not. British cars do not need to hark back to the days of burr walnut and the smell of old leather, they need to lead the way again for contemporary interior ambience which is what they’re achieving now courtesy of Aston Martin, MINI, Jaguar, Bentley, Rolls Royce and Land Rover. Yes they’re financed by foreign money, but they employ British skill and engineering and I’m immensely proud of the fact that as a Country, the UK once again produces some of the coolest cars in the world and how long has it been since we can say that?!!
Amen.
Regards
Supersonic
"Again though have you actually seen a new XJ in the flesh?!"
Not actually seen the car in the flesh, but the other cars look great in the photos so why not the new one? Lets face it if the publicity you can't take a good photo of the car with all the oportunity for lighting, posistioning, framing and not too mention photoshopping what chance has it got in the real world. Thanks for your responces; what would be the point of the forum without discussion, but I'm sorry, for me the appearance is a lame duck. They should have rung the man who did the XK8 instead of the man from Zanusi!
Not actually seen the car in the flesh, but the other cars look great in the photos so why not the new one? Lets face it if the publicity you can't take a good photo of the car with all the oportunity for lighting, posistioning, framing and not too mention photoshopping what chance has it got in the real world. Thanks for your responces; what would be the point of the forum without discussion, but I'm sorry, for me the appearance is a lame duck. They should have rung the man who did the XK8 instead of the man from Zanusi!
Piffle said:
Thanks for your responces; what would be the point of the forum without discussion, but I'm sorry, for me the appearance is a lame duck. They should have rung the man who did the XK8 instead of the man from Zanusi!
.But you're talking nonsense- the XK & XJ have the same designer. Plus you still havent explained the stuff you picked out of the sky about Lyons methods of designing his saloons.
"The XJ-S, XJ220, XJ-6, E-Type, XK120 were all foreward looking cars that caused a stir. I do know what you mean about the P5, old Jags, Alvis, etc back in the day, but I think that may have simply been a function of the times- I can't think of a single car that has the buzz of an E-Type, 250GTO, or any good classic- cars are all too capable these days."
Agreed. I guess my feeling was that the car was not dramatic enough, and in the pictures didn't have the impact a new Jag should have (and the XF I saw was new, and already have blown bulbs - simply reinforces the s
t quality reputation British cars have). I just don't find the new XJ even mildly controversial.
Sorry, it was not a Honda, it was the B4 Legacy from about 2002.
Nice picture, Ess. That does look good, but still lacks the drama I'd expect from a Jag. Can't agree on the comments about the Maser QP - lovely looking car in the flesh.
Ciao
Agreed. I guess my feeling was that the car was not dramatic enough, and in the pictures didn't have the impact a new Jag should have (and the XF I saw was new, and already have blown bulbs - simply reinforces the s
t quality reputation British cars have). I just don't find the new XJ even mildly controversial.Sorry, it was not a Honda, it was the B4 Legacy from about 2002.
Nice picture, Ess. That does look good, but still lacks the drama I'd expect from a Jag. Can't agree on the comments about the Maser QP - lovely looking car in the flesh.
Ciao
Edited by ikarus on Sunday 7th March 20:48
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