RE: Hottest-Ever Seat To Cost £25k

RE: Hottest-Ever Seat To Cost £25k

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JumpinJack

404 posts

179 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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I still like the looks of the old Cupra R, as it's quite distinctly more aggressive than the standard, but this just doesn't do it for me. And for £25k... I think Seat are being a little optimistic. The performance stats are pretty good, and the back end isn't bad, but all the front angles... no no NO!

UncappedTag

2,102 posts

186 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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BigMacca said:
I can't say I've been a fan of the fast Leons, they look too chunky for me- I quite like them with the BTCC bodykit (with the Vents and slashes everywhere), but it still reminds me a little too much of a newer VXR... a bit... halfords ish.

Albeit, I can't say much, I've got an old Integra Type R at present- but aside from the spoiler and the Recaro's, it doesn't scream 'tacky'...

But £25k for a hot hatch is pushing it, I'd be hard pressed to find an arguement that makes me change my mind. I always though the whole point of a hot hatch was cheap, fast-fun? The Leon is a bit too serious for me power wise, besides, it'll probably be torque steer central unless it's got an LSD...

I can't say I'm a fan of any new hot hatches these days, but if I were to get one, it'd have to be something from the Renault range. They're the only brand I consider to be building cars similar (term used loosely!) to what Honda used to build with the DC2 Integra's and EK9 Civics back in the 90's.

If I were after a new hot hatch nowadays, I'd have to get a Clio 200 Cup. Decent amount of power, small with a light kerb weight (compared to it's Rivals), with none of these silly standard bits that spoil the driving performance and weigh the modern Hot Hatch down... Price is just about on the mark too. I'd still want no traction control, ABS or 'fly by wire' controls...

Challenge is reliability though... Think I'll stick with the Integra actually...
All that torque and you contradict yourself on the opening line biggrin

BigMacca

70 posts

191 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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I've not posted on here in a while, so was trying to tread carefully to avoid many a flaming... lol biggrin

UncappedTag

2,102 posts

186 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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BigMacca said:
I've not posted on here in a while, so was trying to tread carefully to avoid many a flaming... lol biggrin
Good call on the Clio. If I did not need the room I would get one.

fizla

5 posts

170 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Love it or hate it, it truly is a head turner, someone has it in white at the end of my road and to be honest it does look nice....however my money would definately go on an rs, or maybe a second hand st....

Josh147

189 posts

179 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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VW Group own SEAT. They've already got the Audi S3, the Golf GTI & the Golf R. Do they really need a fourth version of, what is basicly, the same car?

For me I'd stick with the S3.

homerjay

1,242 posts

226 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Josh147 said:
VW Group own SEAT. They've already got the Audi S3, the Golf GTI & the Golf R. Do they really need a fourth version of, what is basicly, the same car?

For me I'd stick with the S3.
the golf gti is not the same imo

you could argue the cupra isnt even the gti's contender, the 2.0 tfsi is.

but i get your point

Zordrak

1,503 posts

172 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Not quite sure where they are going with this one, a Focus RS for the same money would make mincemeat of the SEAT.

adycav

7,615 posts

218 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Zordrak said:
Not quite sure where they are going with this one, a Focus RS for the same money would make mincemeat of the SEAT.
According to a recent EVO group test, the LCR was faster in a straight line (0-60 & 0-100) and around a track than the FRS.

The Ford was judged to be tye better car overall however, but the article does provide food for thought.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2469...

V

16,032 posts

208 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Looks great and exceptionally cheap compared to what the equivelent Audi or VW would cost. 10/10 in my books

V

16,032 posts

208 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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DaGuv said:
I have had a few hot seats in the past (Leon FR and Ibiza Cupra) but no way would I pay 25K for that. Interior is awful and it just looks wrong. The old leon was awesome. ...still miss mine. You could pick up 1 year old Audi S3, new Golf GTI and Focus RS for that price. Not to mention cars such as a Z4M! Crazy pricing by SEAT, they wont sell many!
A few pointers
- The price will be cheaper after discounts
- The price will be cheaper when the car is a year old
- The list price is much less than anything else in the VAG stable with the same engine
- The interior on this facelift model introduced last year is far better quality than the pre-facelift (see photo below)


Cupramax

10,480 posts

253 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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V said:
DaGuv said:
I have had a few hot seats in the past (Leon FR and Ibiza Cupra) but no way would I pay 25K for that. Interior is awful and it just looks wrong. The old leon was awesome. ...still miss mine. You could pick up 1 year old Audi S3, new Golf GTI and Focus RS for that price. Not to mention cars such as a Z4M! Crazy pricing by SEAT, they wont sell many!
A few pointers
- The price will be cheaper after discounts
- The price will be cheaper when the car is a year old
- The list price is much less than anything else in the VAG stable with the same engine
- The interior on this facelift model introduced last year is far better quality than the pre-facelift (see photo below)
I'd stick with an S3 for £3k more ta... wink

ws323f

56 posts

180 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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homerjay said:
Josh147 said:
VW Group own SEAT. They've already got the Audi S3, the Golf GTI & the Golf R. Do they really need a fourth version of, what is basicly, the same car?

For me I'd stick with the S3.
Is it not basically the same as on Octavia vRS too ?

Josh147

189 posts

179 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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homerjay said:
Josh147 said:
VW Group own SEAT. They've already got the Audi S3, the Golf GTI & the Golf R. Do they really need a fourth version of, what is basicly, the same car?

For me I'd stick with the S3.
Is it not basically the same as on Octavia vRS too ?
I believe Skoda are also part of VW Group...?

V

16,032 posts

208 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Octavia VRS is 200PS and Golf GTI is 210PS so not really the same

This compares to the S3 (265PS), Scirocco R (265PS) and Golf R (270PS)

Edited by V on Monday 29th March 16:51

Josh147

189 posts

179 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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V said:
Octavia VRS is 200PS and Golf GTI is 210PS so not really the same

This compares to the S3 (265PS), Scirocco R (265PS) and Golf R (270PS)

Edited by V on Monday 29th March 16:51
All part of the same VW Group though. Is there really any need for another model based on the same floor pan to be thrown into the market?

adycav

7,615 posts

218 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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This car (and the VAG rivals) make the 260-odd bhp Mazda 3 MPS look like cracking value at under £22k list, especially as you get stuff such as xenons, satnav, and a half decent (Bose) stereo as standard.

You don't even have to pay extra for metallic paint, which is a dream for a VAG buyer.

It's not really a looker though, but I don't think that this LCR is either, unlike the old LCR.

Belfast Boy

855 posts

183 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Sorry I'd rather have an Octy vRS, SEATs are Fugly with a capital F.

den

102 posts

278 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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Blighme, for that money I'd want to be hitting 60 in mid 5 seconds at tops, and I'd want to see some mightly impressive mid range performance figures too.

I owned a Mk2 Leon Cupra, it was a fun car, good quality for the money (£17K if I recall)

SR06

749 posts

187 months

Monday 29th March 2010
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DaGuv said:
I have had a few hot seats in the past (Leon FR and Ibiza Cupra) but no way would I pay 25K for that. Interior is awful and it just looks wrong. The old leon was awesome. ...still miss mine. You could pick up 1 year old Audi S3, new Golf GTI and Focus RS for that price. Not to mention cars such as a Z4M! Crazy pricing by SEAT, they wont sell many!
I'm so with you on this! I've had SEAT over the years, the usual Ibiza Cupra, Leon Cupra R210 and Cupra R225. I sat in Mk2 Cupra a few weeks back and I couldnt hide my disapointment from the salesman. Its a cheap, tacky feeling car. They are on drugs to try and sell that for that sort of money. Did everyone get a £10k payrise in January or something???