RE: PH Heroes: Audi Quattro
Discussion
Love it,
Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
predding said:
DoubleG - where is that picture taken?
Looks like David Sutton Motorsport Museum in Daventry to me....Last time I was there (a few years ago now) they had a brace of 037's in various states of disrepair/restoration.....very cool stuff
Edited by EvoSlayer on Wednesday 7th April 18:20
Childhood dream car for me - I had the matchbox works rally car toy it was my absoulute favorite - A late 20v is simply to desirable for words in my mind -
I remember my dad's mate had a B2 model Audi 90 2.2 Quattro and that was closest I could get to one at the time! made the right noise and had 4wd though!
Amazingly speaking with him last year about it he said he turned down the quattro coupe (not a ur)for the 90 - a decision he deeply regrets to this day.
I remember my dad's mate had a B2 model Audi 90 2.2 Quattro and that was closest I could get to one at the time! made the right noise and had 4wd though!
Amazingly speaking with him last year about it he said he turned down the quattro coupe (not a ur)for the 90 - a decision he deeply regrets to this day.
Straff99 said:
I think you're missing an important point here. The Audi Quattro is the car that ruined rallying forever. They sounded great but that's all. Four wheel drive is the equivalent of steroids in athletics; they merely lifted the bar until everyone else caught up. They didn't make the sport more exciting, quite the opposite. Check out the British Rally Championship. I went on the Bulldog rally a few weeks ago and, when the best of the Historics had been through, the spectators started to leave before the BRC arrived!! How's that for progress? Big, overweight, ill handling lumps of lard; that's why the Peugeot T16 blew them into the weeds.
Stop talking s**t! You obviously don't understand the history of these cars at all. You seem to forget they won the world rally 4 years in a row!I particularly remember a damp WRC rally in New Zealand, the short wheel base Quattro Sports popping over the crest of a hill, huge vortices of spray spinning viciously off either side of the rear of the car, then charging down a long straight undulating piece of narrow country tarmac at probably a little north of 150mph, past me standing just a few feet off on the grass, and through the end of the stage perhaps 200 yards further on - and the whole spectacle accompanied by the magnificent growl of those engines! Truly a golden age in motor racing watching Mikkola, Mouton, Rohrl, and Blomqvist pilot those machines.
loomx said:
Love it,
Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
just digging in and going around doesn't sound like fun to me!Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
In my experience the most fun 4wd systems are those that distribute more torque to the rear. The more torque you send to the rear, the more potential there is for balancing the car on corner exit. Ultimately you end up with rwd being the most rewarding to drive.
EvoSlayer said:
predding said:
DoubleG - where is that picture taken?
Looks like David Sutton Motorsport Museum in Daventry to me....Last time I was there (a few years ago now) they had a brace of 037's in various states of disrepair/restoration.....very cool stuff
Edited by EvoSlayer on Wednesday 7th April 18:20
Kawasicki said:
loomx said:
Love it,
Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
just digging in and going around doesn't sound like fun to me!Before I had driven a 4wd car, I was one of the RWD rules all brigade and drove a BMW. I Test drove a 400bhp S4 and loved it, then bought it, then made it faster! now I wouldnt want to give up the 4WD, as said in the artical, it just makes it brilliant to drive fast, you can get the throttle on so much earlier in the corner, and it just digs in and goes round.
As with everything, people follow the leader/journo (Audis understeer, RWD is better.) and then just repeat what they have read... Go out and find out for your self... you might be supprised.
In my experience the most fun 4wd systems are those that distribute more torque to the rear. The more torque you send to the rear, the more potential there is for balancing the car on corner exit. Ultimately you end up with rwd being the most rewarding to drive.
Its definetly better on the road, and you can have fun whatever the weather!
And they arent has hard to make power oversteer as everyone seems to make out, its just really progressive.
Edited by loomx on Thursday 8th April 10:17
hanks for the reply on the david Sutton photo. While I recall, the Audi Centenary celebrations in Goodwood and esp Ingolstadt had a huge display of their competition quattros on show and being driven around the town, most notably by Walter Rohrl (legend).
As an aside, I drove an RS2 on sale at VAG Leeds back in 1993 and the sales guy though he was the bees knees with a very superscillious attitude. After the drive, I mentioned the 6-speed box and higher turbo band made driving the car harder work than my quattro (admittedley with a 285bhp chip upgrade but mapped more for torque) and he was quite cheesed off as he was looking for his £49995 asking price and someone with more money than knowledge...The handling was also similar to my Audi 80 V6 Competition ie like a boat at the front end. Nothing at that time touched the quattro. I also agree that the AtoA prog is a bit of a joke - and I also believe it was sourced from AM Cars with some modn work so they could spin it? Like they had to fit slicks on the A8 in Ronin so they could spin that...
As an aside, I drove an RS2 on sale at VAG Leeds back in 1993 and the sales guy though he was the bees knees with a very superscillious attitude. After the drive, I mentioned the 6-speed box and higher turbo band made driving the car harder work than my quattro (admittedley with a 285bhp chip upgrade but mapped more for torque) and he was quite cheesed off as he was looking for his £49995 asking price and someone with more money than knowledge...The handling was also similar to my Audi 80 V6 Competition ie like a boat at the front end. Nothing at that time touched the quattro. I also agree that the AtoA prog is a bit of a joke - and I also believe it was sourced from AM Cars with some modn work so they could spin it? Like they had to fit slicks on the A8 in Ronin so they could spin that...
I had the pleasure of meeting renown quattro specialist Adam Marsden (from Somerset www.amcarsquattro.co.uk) at a regularity ice rally in France in February. The quality of his Mikkola rep quattro needs to be seen to be believed. Adam is a top bloke who is the oracle on all things quattro. Pictures of his Mikkola rep can be seen in my photo montages of the Rallye de Neige et Glace here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwoIfgwEzs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeE6VGMykg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwRyzKzxHQ
Also met up with a Swiss chippie who has a fantastic collection of quattros, including the one that was the first quattro WRC rally winner (Sweden 1981 IIRC) - must be worth a mint!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwoIfgwEzs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeE6VGMykg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwRyzKzxHQ
Also met up with a Swiss chippie who has a fantastic collection of quattros, including the one that was the first quattro WRC rally winner (Sweden 1981 IIRC) - must be worth a mint!
The original "Stig" showing what a works S1 quattro can do on the Col Di Turini in the French alps - Hands down the best noise of all the Group B rally monsters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG_ImV-KBc4&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG_ImV-KBc4&fea...
boxerTen said:
I particularly remember a damp WRC rally in New Zealand, the short wheel base Quattro Sports popping over the crest of a hill, huge vortices of spray spinning viciously off either side of the rear of the car, then charging down a long straight undulating piece of narrow country tarmac at probably a little north of 150mph, past me standing just a few feet off on the grass, and through the end of the stage perhaps 200 yards further on - and the whole spectacle accompanied by the magnificent growl of those engines! Truly a golden age in motor racing watching Mikkola, Mouton, Rohrl, and Blomqvist pilot those machines.
That's it! One of the best descriptions I have ever read!! Didn't Audi buy the Sutton collection, or the Audis from it when it was up sale?
The Quattro was winning rallies in the 80s and elections in 2010?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
The Quattro was winning rallies in the 80s and elections in 2010?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
Sortie 10 said:
I had the pleasure of meeting renown quattro specialist Adam Marsden (from Somerset www.amcarsquattro.co.uk) at a regularity ice rally in France in February. The quality of his Mikkola rep quattro needs to be seen to be believed. Adam is a top bloke who is the oracle on all things quattro. Pictures of his Mikkola rep can be seen in my photo montages of the Rallye de Neige et Glace here
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwoIfgwEzs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeE6VGMykg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwRyzKzxHQ
Also met up with a Swiss chippie who has a fantastic collection of quattros, including the one that was the first quattro WRC rally winner (Sweden 1981 IIRC) - must be worth a mint!
I wouldnt go near Madam Arseden or his set up with 'your' barge pole, let alone mine.....I would love to explain but i would break the rules of PH, which i do not want to do.www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNwoIfgwEzs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZeE6VGMykg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DwRyzKzxHQ
Also met up with a Swiss chippie who has a fantastic collection of quattros, including the one that was the first quattro WRC rally winner (Sweden 1981 IIRC) - must be worth a mint!
andy97 said:
Dealers won't know what to do with a quattro now. Best to go to Roger Galvin at the "quattro workshop" near Lutterworth. He has a stock of cars for sale and many second hand parts if needed, and also knows where to source or get manufactured some of those hard to find parts. Roger has maintained mine for 12 years and it does no go anywhere else.
Someone's bound to call BS on me, but no word of a lie, he's my mate's dad, and the first person I'll go to when I can't take any more of Ashes to Ashes making me want one, and I have the money
Mike69 said:
In 1994 to 1995, I was privileged to own an 1982 x-reg Quattro, in Alpine White. Great car that I wish I'd kept.
I know the feeling !
I'm, not usually one to suffer from marketing or brand loyalty, but after watching the original Quattro's on the RAC rallies in 1983/4/5, I had to have one, so in 1987 I bought my first Ur-Quattro and ran it for 100,000 miles. Loved it. Still miss it.
Same thing happened with Lancia's and even the RS200. To this day I still tool around in a discrete looking RS6 Quattro with an unfeasibly generous amount of BHP. Very addictive it is to. After reading this thread, I found myself scanning the PH classifieds for a nice red or white example and coming up reasons to justify it ontop of everything else !
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