RE: Pic Of The Week: Gardner Douglas T70

[dinkel]

The coupe is pretty stunning as well:

[200Plus Club]

Silverstone classic was great last year watching the original Lolas and Maclaren can am cars racing into the dusk, no one was holding back. sounded and looked superb. spyders and coupes on track plus GT40s , P4 ferrari etc :-)

[vintageracer01]

GTRene said:

dinkel said:

Dakkon said:

I want one

Don't we all NEED one.

yep

Yep, urgently and badly!!!

[dinkel]

200Plus Club said:

Silverstone classic was great last year watching the original Lolas and Maclaren can am cars racing into the dusk, no one was holding back. sounded and looked superb. spyders and coupes on track plus GT40s , P4 ferrari etc :-)

See you guys at Spa 6 Hrs then.

[Joe911]

P4ROT said:

Roman said:

Well held at 6:27!

+1 stupid fast- speedo goes up like a superbike

It may be a lovely car - but why feature the speedo in the video when it is clearly either broken, or set up to mislead. The readings are completely bogus.

[juansolo]

Joe911 said:

P4ROT said:

Roman said:

Well held at 6:27!

+1 stupid fast- speedo goes up like a superbike

It may be a lovely car - but why feature the speedo in the video when it is clearly either broken, or set up to mislead. The readings are completely bogus.

If we believe the text, it was geared to top out at 177mph, the speedo reads to 187mph so the speedo is only over-reading by 10mph (like with many production cars) if it makes it all the way around to 300kph. As for the accelleration, 800bhp/ton is quite a lot... Also consider that the gearing is (relatively) short given that power to weight. For comparison a Veyron is 'only' 530bhp/ton and is geared to do 250mph.

Edited by juansolo on Tuesday 20th April 11:29

[Joe911]

If you look at the speeds at various places - they are just not credible.

[juansolo]

Joe911 said:

If you look at the speeds at various places - they are just not credible.

You've driven a racing car with 800bhp/ton then? What I'm saying is that it's way beyond most people's comprehension just how fast that thing could be. Why does everyone assume it's some sort of trick?

Edited by juansolo on Tuesday 20th April 11:30

[Joe911]

juansolo said:

Joe911 said:

If you look at the speeds at various places - they are just not credible.

You've driven a car with 800bhp/ton then? What I'm saying is that it's way beyond most people's comprehension just how fast that thing could be. Why does everyone assume it's some sort of trick?

I've driven not far short of that, and a superbike, and a Cup race car on slicks.
If the speedo were genuine - then it would be a faster lap time.

[juansolo]

Joe911 said:

juansolo said:

Joe911 said:

If you look at the speeds at various places - they are just not credible.

You've driven a car with 800bhp/ton then? What I'm saying is that it's way beyond most people's comprehension just how fast that thing could be. Why does everyone assume it's some sort of trick?

I've driven not far short of that, and a superbike, and a Cup race car on slicks.
If the speedo were genuine - then it would be a faster lap time.

A Busa's dry weight is 218kgs. Add some oil, water and fuel, being nice, that's going to add a minimum of 10kgs to that. Add a rider that isn't too fat and you've got another 75kgs there. That;s 577bhp/ton. Add the driver to the T70, it's still kicking off 738bhp/ton. A Porsche GT3 Cup car will be WAY less than that, quick fag packet maths puts it at 385bhp/ton (forgot to add the driver to that). As I say, it's an order of magnitude higher power than anything else out there.

Reasons for a poor lap. Well it's got a fantastic amount of power, no doubt. Doesn't say anything about it on the brakes and round the bends. There is no doubt a GT3 Cup will murder it in the bends and on the brakes. It's had far more development and is a hell of a lot more modern. If it was me driving it, another reason for a poor lap would be pure fear...

Edited by juansolo on Tuesday 20th April 11:55

[ZesPak]

vintageracer01 said:

GTRene said:

dinkel said:

Dakkon said:

I want one

Don't we all NEED one.

yep

Yep, urgently and badly!!!

[nonplussed]

Awesome car and video. I can without any doubt say that I'd st brix if I had to take that thing round the 'ring in anger. Some of the "moments" this guy has are truly heroic

[aeropilot]

Oh my.......

Now that's an impressive track day tool.....providing you have the talent or your names Buster Gonad

Hero driver

[alexpa]

To be able to deploy 700 odd horse's in such a controllable manner with no electronics speaks volumes for the GD chassis. Absolutely awesome!

Love the style, love the grunt, love the nimble size. Would love to own one!

[200Plus Club]

as above and the reason i posted the same link to the GT40 forums, guys on there appreciate the driver skill involved in moving a mid engined rwd 700bhp v8 kit car around the ring at those sort of speeds. the car will come straight round on you if you show any lift of the throttle in a bend if the arse end steps out you have to keep it nailed. the rack is 2 turns lock to lock, no power steering and heavy at low speed. front tyres are 255/40 17s and rears 335-30-18s (888s) on mine, i also bought the forged rims off the car used in the clip when it was in the uk as wets with pilot sports as the 888s are lethal on it in the damp/wet. the huge rears are what make the car driveable instead of traction control and the handling is pretty good and fully adjustable. you just have to remember it would love to kill you given any indecision or backing off. :-)

the speedo is calibrated to the car dependant upon gearing and yes mine bounces about a bit like that, but mine in mph not kph and its not as marked acceleration, the increments exagerate it on a kph speedo. the speeds are entirely reasonable based on how mine accelerates with 450-500bhp in a 900kg car and 450ft/lb. steves was gps measured at 192mph in the uk and sub6s 0-100mph. i did 160ish in mine at brunters and the wind blast is pretty hard work like being on a sports bike.

the time round the ring doesnt lie regardless of the speedo in kph bouncing about like a wild 'un, and you can see the vast speed difference in the cars out there. i've driven the ring in 9mins 30 on my 4th ever lap in a 350bhp gt4 celica without pushing it anywhere like the guy in the clip does, hence my utmost respect to him for tackling it like that!

Edited by 200Plus Club on Tuesday 20th April 22:17

[200Plus Club]

out of interest if anyone fancies a ride in one then GD are doing passenger rides in their demo car on the road with 500bhp power which is more than enough, and in july will be having a GD owners day sprint at barkston heath mod base with passenger rides around the sprint track, not sure of date as yet tho.

[200Plus Club]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMiuheHs3e0&fea...

first bit of action has some shots at teeside autodrome with mine in front of a caterham last year. teeside was quite hard work with no power steering in the tight uphill bit but an enjoyable trackday.

also recall steve did a silverstone trackday in his car and was hitting ridiculous speeds around there as it really suits the fast power tracks.

brakes are 330mm 4 pot aps all round on alloy bells with race pads so fade isnt an issue.

Edited by 200Plus Club on Tuesday 20th April 22:43

[dinkel]

200Plus Club said:

out of interest if anyone fancies a ride in one then GD are doing passenger rides . . .

Would make an awesone Tunnel Run machine.

[samantha]

I use to own this Car & the gearing was calculated to pull 207mph at 7200rpm I never managed a genuine speed over 200 but hit nearly that on a regular basis, Croft pit streight it managed 180mph The streight under the road at Silverstone it achived 185mph A truly awsome car to drive, you just have to be carefull & get the tyres sticky for max traction & dont give it full throttle until you are confident the back end wont jump out, I used Hoozier R6 slics for max effect.

I still have a set Chris if you need any for those wheels I sold you?

[Motorrad]

Love the opposite lock at T13.