RE: SOTW: Mazda MX-3 V6

RE: SOTW: Mazda MX-3 V6

Friday 21st May 2010

SOTW: Mazda MX-3 V6

Shed decides that small is beautiful for this tiny V6 gem



Apart from mobile phones, digital cameras and possibly laptops, people generally aren't impressed by how small something is. It's certainly on record that Shed has a fondness for the big-engined barge.

But just occasionally small can be good, and this Mazda MX-3 is a case in point. Its cylinders might displace only 1.8 litres, but there are six of them, making this one of the smallest V6s ever to grace a production car engine bay.

It's reputed to be a bit of a peach, too, and its 131bhp and 116lb ft of torque is enough to shove it to 62mph in 8.5secs and on to a top speed of 130mph - respectable figures for a diminutive 90s Japanese coupe.


Now the MX-3 might have wrong-wheel drive and lives rather in the shadow of its rather more famous MX-5 sister, but twin-trapezoidal link rear suspension makes the MX-3 nimble enough.

But that baby V6 is the star of the show - especially since it gets a variable intake manifold and a redline that almost touches 8000rpm. And it's nice to beable to say "let's take the V6", isn't it?

PH's own Rusty-C (the bloke who looks after the PH classifieds) spotted this 80,000-mile potential gem lurking on the internet. If the vendor's not telling porkies (and we have no reason to suppose they would be), it's been pampered, has oodles of paperwork, a long MOT, plenty of tax and a price tag of £795 or thereabouts.


I'm struggling to keep my hand away from my wallet at that price, so I hope somebody buys it soon. Because if they don't, I just might...

Advert is reproduced below:

Mazda MX3 Coupe V6 For Sale (1991)
£795 Or near offer

Gunmetal metallic rare 1.8-litre V6 coupe. The bodywork is excellent with only a few chips as you would expect for a vehicle that is almost 20 years old. The lacquer on the spoiler has peeled off but the paint has polished up very well and it really does not detract from the overall appearance. Inside the seats and carpets are good apart from some wear on the drivers seat cushion; again this is only slight. Everything works properly with only the passeneger door remote lock mechanism needing locking manually. It opens remotely as it should.

The beauty of this car is in the driving. The V6 engine is an absolute joy and is so smooth and the sound it makes puts many modern 6 cylinder motors in the shade. The mileage of 88000 is genuine with a very complete Mazda service history up to 52000 and then a local garage of good repute to date. I have in fact known the previous owner back to 2001.

The car was serviced last month,the MOT runs to March 2011, tax runs to September and road tax is only £190 and my insurance is £105 on a Classic Car policy.

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adycav

Original Poster:

7,615 posts

218 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Excellent shed - you don't see many of these around nowadays (or the MX6 for that matter).

Looks like a very good buy.

briSk

14,291 posts

227 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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ste but great all at the same time!

hairykrishna

13,185 posts

204 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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I had one of these. Thirsty, expensive to insure (at the time) and not that quick. I got bored of the noise quickly too.

redstu

2,287 posts

240 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Quite Like the look of that as I've not owned as Mazda before, however I was going to make my first one a "5".

Dan_1981

17,408 posts

200 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Our local MX5 specialist has one as a courtesy car.

I quite like it!

trickywoo

11,856 posts

231 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Who ever buys it needs to have a good poke around underneath as they rust somewhat.

Luke.

11,004 posts

251 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Love that as a town runaround. Good find. smile

angusc43

11,499 posts

209 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Great shed. I was actually considering one as a company car in the mid 90's. As I was in IT and and it was going abit crazy at the time I had two jumps in car allowance in close succession so I moved onto the VR6 I really wanted but then ended up actually getting a correct wheel drive 200SX

For a small warm hatch, though, I thought the MX3 made a lot of sense at the time

Edited by angusc43 on Friday 21st May 13:58

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Not quick cars, even in the day they weren't quick, The 1.5 version JDM version is just a quick.

pSyCoSiS

3,602 posts

206 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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A pretty quirky car.

Nice engine tone for a 1.8 capacity!

eggbod

96 posts

187 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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used to have one, got rid as the mpg was dreadfull, the parts were also expensive. they make a great motorway crusier..........140 on the clock one night... (not by me)

grosserbaby

142 posts

169 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Hmm, ok for the missus but not for me. Car itself looks nice enough though.


only1ian

689 posts

195 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Driven a mates one around germany when i was based out there! Am I right in remembering that they had a smaller v6 a 1.6 fitted in the MX3 as well?

Anyway was typically japanese aweful cloth interior but they did go some with leather which helped and i always had a soft spot for the exterior styling. I think its aged well a car styled ahead of its time i think.

Interesting car and now you can insure on a classic policy probably a cheap reliable pocket rocket! Good one SOTW

G_T

16,160 posts

191 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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only1ian said:
Am I right in remembering that they had a smaller v6 a 1.6 fitted in the MX3 as well?
No. 1.8 was the v6.


MarJay

2,173 posts

176 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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I used to have one of those. The Dizzys give out, and even a reconditioned one will set you back £400 due to some weird electronic ignition with a distributor type design.

The worst thing is what happens when the dizzy goes. The engine will randomly cut out, but only if the engine is started when hot, and when it dies you lose the power assistance to the steering which is unutterably heavy without it. Effectively the steering locks solid when the engine cuts. Not nice when you're entering a tight motorway slip road. I replaced mine with a brand new dizzy from Mazda when it started, and then a few months later it failed again. I sold the car after that.

The car was quite good fun but it ate front tyres due to its weight and the revviness of the engine. Its quite pretty and has a vaaast boot. You can comfortably seat four adults, but for £795 I'd try to find something else. I did pay a lot more for my one and mine had done 115k miles, but I was young and stupid and seduced by the swoopy coupe shape. Oh yeah and rear visibilty is poor due to the spoiler and the shape of the boot lid, the seats barely adjust and the doors are very very long making parking awkward.

It was also designed for the american market and is geared to be most efficient at 55mph. This means that the motorway MPG was shocking, and it was quite harsh at 70mph or more.

Still, its nice to see a bit of nostalgia for me in SOTW! smile


Edited by MarJay on Friday 21st May 14:24

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Absolute bombproof bargain, that.

MarJay

2,173 posts

176 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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hornetrider said:
Absolute bombproof bargain, that.
Not bombproof, see above post.

Plus the engine has cambelts which are a pig to change. Although I heard rumours the engine is non-interference which means its less of a risk if a cambelt snaps...

Lancs Jag Boy

437 posts

187 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Is it Jap Puma, or am I well off the mark thinking that? Didn't Ford own a stake in Mazda, do they still?

ExPat2B

2,157 posts

201 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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Superb little shed ! I had one of these for 80,000 miles and it never put a foot wrong. I replaced CV joints, HT leads, a tensioner pulley bearing, and the front wishbones and antirollbar links...and that was it after 130,000 ( hard ) miles !

Its the details and the quality of the car that doesn't come across in the reviews or in pictures like this.

It was built to a very high standard indeed for its class of veichle, which pushed the price up, I think at one point they sold for the same price as a S14 200sx, as a result they were never as popular as they deserved to be.

The engine bay is well designed and protected, with all major functions being on top of the engine making access easy. All the connectors are well designed and watertight. The intake is cast alloy and durable, all moving parts are made from metal ( no plastic tensioners or waterpumps ! ) and the radiator is alloy and effective. Rust proofing is effective ( unlike the Puma or Mx5 )

The engine itsself is a gem, you can balance a pound coin on the engine cover at tickover. The torque from the engine is incredible compared to a coarse 4 cylinder, It pulls from 750rpm (!) as a result you can pull away in third gear without excessive clutch slip, and once on the move ( +20mph ) 5th gear is all you ever need.....even up some very steep hills. It comes on song at 4000rpm with solenoids opening to reduce the induction length. It will rev to 7250 rpm, but unlike a 4 cylinder it is smooth and refined, and doing so puts no stress on the engine. I once completed a high speed run on a german autobahn with the engine running at over 6000rpm for over two hours, and it did not overheat or exhibit any signs of distress. This means that although power is relatively low, you can exploit that power without fear. Before the Mx3 I owned a Rover Tomcat Turbo.....it had 200bhp, but when it tried driving it to the redline all the time it broke very quickly. I figured it was better to have 136 bhp of power I could use than 200bhp of power I was afraid to use. The refinement at speed is also impressive, little wind noise due to shape, and engine is silent even at 5000rpm +

I ran my car to 130,000 miles, and it was as quiet and smooth running the day I sold it as when I got it.

I bought it as a car for the then wife, but when I discovered how much fun it was to hustle down a lane she didn't get a look in. The handling is sublime, great to chuck about and very safe.

Its behaviour when cornering also deserves a mention, simply because it is the only FWD car I have driven that behaves like a RWD car in a corner *within the limits of traction*

Please bear in mind that I owned ( and sold ) an Mx5, and Mr2 and an MGF during the same period, so I have very good reference points..........

Simply put, when you accelerate in a corner, the rear suspension loads up, and instead of getting understeer, the rear wheels toe out and the rear helps you round the corner, tightening your line. You dont get the full fat RWD drift, as if the front break traction then you will get understeer again, but it genuinely feels like a RWD car...in fact more so than for example an MGF which understeers under power untill traction breaks. You can induce lift oversteer, but unlike the Peugout 205 GTI I owned you have to quite brutal and unsettle the car and left foot brake.

The grip when conering is very impressive, .9 G which is greater than a Lotus Elise.

The steering is great, well weighted, full of feedback and quick, 2.5 turns lock to lock.

The rear Hatch is huge ( an unlike the Puma it doesnt drop rain water into the boot ) , and the rear seats fold down. You can get some sizeable objects in there......Golf clubs, baby pushchairs, a fridge etc.

Its competitors were the Puma and the Tigra, and it beats them on every objective measure, its quicker, better handling, better designed boot, better drivers car.

I personally don't think for 750 pounds you can find a more reliable, fun to drive car with a decent measure of practicality.

The bad points to look for when buying are :

Interior - a little rattly and brittle, and black plastic.
Ride is quite stiff, great for a sportscar.
The only engine problem to note is the air intake tube can become brittle and break, leading to poor idle as air bypasses it.
Economy - I used to average about 30mpg, 20mpg when pressing on - so not wallet raping, but to be fair you can find 1.8litre, 8 second 0-60 cars that return much better values.
Rear calipers also have a habit of sticking and occassionaly needed attention.
Sensitive to Cheap tyres/mismatched tyres. - it runs 205/55/15's and the best were Toyo T1Rs or Goodyear Eagle F1's. If they are mismatched front to rear ( as mine was when I bought it, with ok tyres on the rear and ditchfinders on the front ) it ruins the rear suspension toe effects and can induce understeer.
The distributor is vulnerable as it sits next to a hot engine, there is a remote ignition mod that fixes this for under 50 pounds. I never got round to doing it, and mine never broke.

Edited by ExPat2B on Friday 21st May 14:30

ExPat2B

2,157 posts

201 months

Friday 21st May 2010
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MarJay said:
I used to have one of those. The Dizzys give out, and even a reconditioned one will set you back £400 due to some weird electronic ignition with a distributor type design.


Edited by MarJay on Friday 21st May 14:24
I feel a bit sad about your experience.

You can get a 3 year guaranteed part for 175 pounds.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAZDA-MX3-MX6-V6-DISTRIBUTOR...

And here is the External ignitor mod to fix this issue completely:

http://www.mx-3.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&...