RE: Driven: Ferrari 599 GTO
Discussion
Murcielago_Boy said:
I'm sorry but I really cannot help but think about how much I do NOT want this car - at any price...
The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
Well put that man.The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
But as proved by most threads on here , lap times / performance figures / power figures etc are king...People love this bulls
t and most people buy in to it which is the aim of the game, selling cars. Super cars with top speeds 1 mph faster or a tenth quicker to 60 than its rivals.But if you twisted my arm i suppose i could find room on the drive for one
911stu said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
I'm sorry but I really cannot help but think about how much I do NOT want this car - at any price...
The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
Well put that man.The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
But as proved by most threads on here , lap times / performance figures / power figures etc are king...People love this bulls
t and most people buy in to it which is the aim of the game, selling cars. Super cars with top speeds 1 mph faster or a tenth quicker to 60 than its rivals.But if you twisted my arm i suppose i could find room on the drive for one
whipround said:
911stu said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
I'm sorry but I really cannot help but think about how much I do NOT want this car - at any price...
The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
Well put that man.The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
But as proved by most threads on here , lap times / performance figures / power figures etc are king...People love this bulls
t and most people buy in to it which is the aim of the game, selling cars. Super cars with top speeds 1 mph faster or a tenth quicker to 60 than its rivals.But if you twisted my arm i suppose i could find room on the drive for one
chelme said:
Kawasicki said:
chelme said:
when you have a car with a 6 litre V12 at the front, you cant expect balanced cornering quality without electronic aids
ahhhhh...yes you can, overall weight does not effect the potential for great balance.barchetta_boy said:
chelme said:
Kawasicki said:
chelme said:
when you have a car with a 6 litre V12 at the front, you cant expect balanced cornering quality without electronic aids
ahhhhh...yes you can, overall weight does not effect the potential for great balance.911stu said:
whipround said:
911stu said:
Murcielago_Boy said:
I'm sorry but I really cannot help but think about how much I do NOT want this car - at any price...
The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
Well put that man.The article tells me all that's WRONG with Ferrari's today.It's actually confirmed what I've been thinking for quite a few years now: They keep optimising cars around electronics designed to make the car faster, not more **enjoyable**...... and it's pi55ing me off and it's not making for truly classic supercars.
I've had a few Ferrari's now and I cannot help but think they're getting less and less interesting to drive. The performance is insane and the ease of use is incredible - no question. Per se, there is nothing wrong with any one of their products. However the experience is becoming increasingly synthetic and videogame-esque and the involvement is being defined by the performance. Step into a 275GTB/4 and you have fun doing 20mph!
Worse still this electronic optimisation means the cars are actually deeply compromised as soon as the electronics are turned off because none of the systems nor the chassis/diff is setup to operate with all of the gubbins in "off" mode.
A friend of mine, posts here, could have ANY Ferrari and recently purchased an F50 to add to his Carrera GT - it has nothing, no ABS, no e-diff, no stability, no traction, no power steering, no power brakes, no F1 gearbox - nothing.... and it's absolutely the most wonderful, utterly thrilling and absorbing Ferrari I've ever ever driven and I've driven almost ALL of them. Who gives an F**K about it's lap time??
Along those same lines, I think the 355 was a better car than my 430 Spider, I think the 550 Maranello is wayyy more involving than the 599 (which I consider a huge Merc - blasphemy!) and this GTO wouldn't hold a candle to it's 288 forebear let alone the 250...
Someone needs to tell Ferrari that F1 technology makes for fast, boring cars... just look at the racing.....
Still, could be worse. You could buy a Porsche and have to deal with their appalling customer service instead...
But as proved by most threads on here , lap times / performance figures / power figures etc are king...People love this bulls
t and most people buy in to it which is the aim of the game, selling cars. Super cars with top speeds 1 mph faster or a tenth quicker to 60 than its rivals.But if you twisted my arm i suppose i could find room on the drive for one
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