Falken 452's or Vredestein Sessanta's?
Discussion
Just wondering what people would choose out of these 2 tyres.
I understand both have had excellent reviews, i've even had the Falken's on a previous car and found them to be good myself.
I've not used the Vredestein's but they seem to get equally good reviews. I'm particularly interested in these as I know other Z4 owners have switched their runflats to these and found them to work well.
In the sizes I need (225 40 18 front) (255 35 18 Rear), the Falken's work out to be about £70 - £80 cheaper.
Anybody had both of these and know what the differences are. Is the Falken tyre likely to wear a bit quicker?
Would appreciate any advice.
I understand both have had excellent reviews, i've even had the Falken's on a previous car and found them to be good myself.
I've not used the Vredestein's but they seem to get equally good reviews. I'm particularly interested in these as I know other Z4 owners have switched their runflats to these and found them to work well.
In the sizes I need (225 40 18 front) (255 35 18 Rear), the Falken's work out to be about £70 - £80 cheaper.
Anybody had both of these and know what the differences are. Is the Falken tyre likely to wear a bit quicker?
Would appreciate any advice.
I've just worn out a set of FK452s at 12,000 miles.
They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:
1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.
2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.
I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.
They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:
1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.
2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.
I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.
Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
No such thing as 'proper' tyres. Just because they are more expensive doesnt make them better. A great many TVR owners are now using Falken FK452's , so for a light weight high power RWD car I think we can safely say they work well. If others with the same car as you have rate them highly then you should listen to their recommendation.
IME falkens dont suit heavier cars. I have 452's on the TVR and a Golf V5 , they are excellent on both. But I tried them on my Omega 3.0 and they were very poor.
ETA: Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling
Edited by bigdods on Monday 31st May 22:50
OnTheOverrun said:
I've just worn out a set of FK452s at 12,000 miles.
They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:
1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.
2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.
I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.
My findings exactly on the Jag, below about 5 Deg C they are interesting & take awhile to warm up. Until they do it is all a bit slippy! They are a surprisingly good tyre for the money but with a few caveats:
1) They don't like the cold weather. Once the temperature is into double figures they ride well and grip strongly in the dry, albeit a little less so in the wet. When it gets colder they go hard, the ride turns crashy and they tramline more while refusing to warm up unless really pushed.
2) Although lateral grip is good, I found traction and braking less so with wheelspin and ABS coming on more often than the previous RE050A.
I wouldn't buy them again, not because they are bad, but because I like to try different types and always fit 4 and fancy seeing if the Hankook V12 is as good as everyone says. Failing that I might try PS3 or Goodyear F1 Assymetrics.
bigdods said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
No such thing as 'proper' tyres. Just because they are more expensive doesnt make them better. A great many TVR owners are now using Falken FK452's , so for a light weight high power RWD car I think we can safely say they work well. If others with the same car as you have rate them highly then you should listen to their recommendation.
IME falkens dont suit heavier cars. I have 452's on the TVR and a Golf V5 , they are excellent on both. But I tried them on my Omega 3.0 and they were very poor.
What I did notice though was the wear rate was higher. Since they only cost £108 each, I wasn't too bothered about that.
Ozzie Osmond said:
For a car like yours those tyres may be "adequate" but most punters would be looking to fit proper full price tyres on a 3.0 litre sports car. Not the right area to be cutting corners if you can help it.
What complete pony! The Pirelli PZero Assymetricos the jag had on it before were 45% more expensive than the Falkens but no better overall & in various ways worse. The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.bigdods said:
Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling.
Don't you think the manufacturer might just cover some of this stuff when specifying tyres for the car?But then the buyers of manufacturer recommended full price tyres might all be idiots.
Shaving a couple of hundred quid off a set of tyres on a £30,000 car makes no sense IMO.
Ozzie Osmond said:
bigdods said:
Whatever tyre you get, play with the tyre pressure. Sidewall stiffness varies , you may need to raise or lower a few psi to get the right balance between comfort and handling.
Don't you think the manufacturer might just cover some of this stuff when specifying tyres for the car?But then the buyers of manufacturer recommended full price tyres might all be idiots.
Shaving a couple of hundred quid off a set of tyres on a £30,000 car makes no sense IMO.
And in my case the tyres originally specified for the TVR were dunlops which arent made any more.
Never buy tyres based on price rather than performance
Ozzie Osmond said:
tr7v8 said:
The Sessantas are reckoned to be even better so will probably be the replacements as & when the Falkens wear out.
Usually because some bloke in the pub prefers the tread pattern...The Sessantas are a cracking tyre, great in the dry and exceptional in the wet, would get my vote, particularly when you factor in their price.
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