RE: Officially official: BMW 1-series M for 2011

[haidergill]

the-photographer said:

OK, you're lucky it's a quiet afternoon at work...

Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)

Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)

370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 331bhp (manual)

BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)

BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)

BMW 1-M ???? / ???

Should we add any others?

Car	Weight KG (inc driver)
Cayman S	1425
Audi TTRS	1525
BMW 135i	1530
370z	1571
BMW Z4 sDrive35is	1600

Note, it's very hard to calculate accurate weights and even harder to compare car to car. For example, looking at the 370z brochure, the optional 19" wheels add another 29kg

what about the Ariel Atom???

[mat205125]

the-photographer said:

Note, it's very hard to calculate accurate weights and even harder to compare car to car. For example, looking at the 370z brochure, the optional 19" wheels add another 29kg

Really? Thats a hell of a lot!

[the-photographer]

mat205125 said:

the-photographer said:

Note, it's very hard to calculate accurate weights and even harder to compare car to car. For example, looking at the 370z brochure, the optional 19" wheels add another 29kg

Really? Thats a hell of a lot!

Well, you try and decode the brochure (after, yet another registration to get it)

http://www.nissan.co.uk/GB/en/vehicles/sports-cars...

[the-photographer]

haidergill said:

the-photographer said:

OK, you're lucky it's a quiet afternoon at work...

Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)

Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)

370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 331bhp (manual)

BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)

BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)

Ariel Atom 456 + 75 = 531 kg / 245-300 bhp (manual)

Audi S3 1515 + 75 = 1590 / 261bhp (auto)

BMW 1-M ???? / ???

Should we add any others?

Car	Weight KG (inc driver)
Atom	531
Cayman S	1425
Audi TTRS	1525
BMW 135i	1530
370z	1571
S3	1590
BMW Z4 sDrive35is	1600

Note, it's very hard to calculate accurate weights and even harder to compare car to car. For example, looking at the 370z brochure, the optional 19" wheels add another 29kg

what about the Ariel Atom???

Getting a bit silly, but I've added it. To counter this, I've added the S3 5 door sportback after all comments about space!

[kambites]

God, is the 370Z really that heavy?

[havoc]

kambites said:

God, is the 370Z really that heavy?

How the hell they've managed to make 2-seat coupes weigh as much as an E46 M3 (or an E34 M5!!!) is beyond me, but both Nissan and BMW have managed it, and without a V8 in sight...

[kambites]

havoc said:

kambites said:

God, is the 370Z really that heavy?

How the hell they've managed to make 2-seat coupes weigh as much as an E46 M3 (or an E34 M5!!!) is beyond me, but both Nissan and BMW have managed it, and without a V8 in sight...

BMW don't currently have a 2 seater coupe in their line-up do they? Or am I forgetting something?

[ooral]

kambites said:

havoc said:

kambites said:

God, is the 370Z really that heavy?

How the hell they've managed to make 2-seat coupes weigh as much as an E46 M3 (or an E34 M5!!!) is beyond me, but both Nissan and BMW have managed it, and without a V8 in sight...

BMW don't currently have a 2 seater coupe in their line-up do they? Or am I forgetting something?

Does the new Z4 count, obv when the roof is up!

Edited by ooral on Saturday 5th June 02:03

[NoelWatson]

havoc said:

Captain Flashman said:

its funny, i love the idea of the R26.R but i could never spend my money on a front drive car, i have the same problem with the mini. the exige is my lotus of choice, a car i actually want but i don't really fit into it.

When looking at that sort of money...well, you can see what I went for, gambling on repair-bills vs depreciation. Ironically the R26.R is probably as quick/quicker point-to-point than my NSX in the hands of anyone except a very skilled driver...but IMHO speed isn't the be-all and end-all of driving.

I think you could have just as much fun in R26.R as in NSX

[NoelWatson]

the-photographer said:

OK, you're lucky it's a quiet afternoon at work...

Audi TTRS 1450 + 75 = 1525 / 335bhp (manual)

Cayman S 1425 kg / 295bhp (manual)

370z 1496 + 75 = 1571 kg / 331bhp (manual)

BMW 135i 1530 kg / 302bhp (manual)

BMW Z4 sDrive35is 1600 kg / 340bhp (7-speed DSG)

BMW 1-M ???? / ???

Should we add any others?

Car	Weight KG (inc driver)
Cayman S	1425
Audi TTRS	1525
BMW 135i	1530
370z	1571
BMW Z4 sDrive35is	1600

Note, it's very hard to calculate accurate weights and even harder to compare car to car. For example, looking at the 370z brochure, the optional 19" wheels add another 29kg

Who weighed these cars?

[teamHOLDENracing]

Are all these weights on the same basis? BMW's published weights normally includes driver & luggage (85kg) and a 90% full fuel tank....

[the-photographer]

teamHOLDENracing said:

Are all these weights on the same basis? BMW's published weights normally includes driver & luggage (85kg) and a 90% full fuel tank....

Yes, I looked at brochures and added 75kg where appropriate. I'm happy for you to double check.

[NoelWatson]

the-photographer said:

teamHOLDENracing said:

Are all these weights on the same basis? BMW's published weights normally includes driver & luggage (85kg) and a 90% full fuel tank....

Yes, I looked at brochures and added 75kg where appropriate. I'm happy for you to double check.

I'm not convinced the brochures are that accurate.

[teamHOLDENracing]

How does 75kg equate to 85kg + the weight of a 90% full fuel tank, which will be around another 45kg?

And no, I'm not going to check....

[the-photographer]

NoelWatson said:

Who weighed these cars?

All numbers from web research.

[Deranged Granny]

Why would they want their cars to seem heavier than they really are? Surely they would just put the weight sans fluids, luggage and people? Unless it's a stupid EU regulation.

[the-photographer]

NoelWatson said:

the-photographer said:

teamHOLDENracing said:

Are all these weights on the same basis? BMW's published weights normally includes driver & luggage (85kg) and a 90% full fuel tank....

Yes, I looked at brochures and added 75kg where appropriate. I'm happy for you to double check.

I'm not convinced the brochures are that accurate.

OK, I think they have to be reasonably accurate because of EU directive 95/48

[the-photographer]

teamHOLDENracing said:

How does 75kg equate to 85kg + the weight of a 90% full fuel tank, which will be around another 45kg?

And no, I'm not going to check....

Because I went to BMW's German website, downloaded the 1-series PDF, which states

Im angegebenen Wert sind 90% Tankfüllung sowie 68 kg für den Fahrer und 7 kg für Gepäck berücksichtigt. Das Leer gewicht gilt für Fahrzeuge in serienmäßiger Ausstattung.
Sonderausstattungen erhöhen diesen Wert.

Or

The figure quoted is 90% tank filling, 68 kg for the driver and 7 kg for luggage. The empty weight applies to vehicles with standard equipment.
Special equipment may increase this value.

Thus, I used 75kg

[the-photographer]

Deranged Granny said:

Why would they want their cars to seem heavier than they really are? Surely they would just put the weight sans fluids, luggage and people? Unless it's a stupid EU regulation.

Some use;

• DIN
• EU without driver
• EU with driver

Then you've got the combinations of manual/auto/18'/19'

It's a big headache comparing like with like.

[NoelWatson]

the-photographer said:

NoelWatson said:

the-photographer said:

teamHOLDENracing said:

Are all these weights on the same basis? BMW's published weights normally includes driver & luggage (85kg) and a 90% full fuel tank....

Yes, I looked at brochures and added 75kg where appropriate. I'm happy for you to double check.

I'm not convinced the brochures are that accurate.

OK, I think they have to be reasonably accurate because of EU directive 95/48

I recall several Autocar road tests where the car is >100kg more than claimed. I would like to see a Cayman on a weighbridge, as unofficially I hear it is closer to 1500kg