RE: Officially official: BMW 1-series M for 2011
Discussion
Rusty-C said:
I think this could be the M car we've all been waiting for (now they've dropped the four-cylinder turbo nonsense), if BMW can shed a few pounds and add a dusting of aggression, i'll be a very happy camper.
It's the right size for an M-Car for sure, and whilst I'm still a little indifferent about forced induction, I can see it being the pick of the family.
My fingers and toes are all crossed praying that it is an M car targetted at "us" rather than the potential buyer who would consider one for its top trumps stats and shiny tinsel stuck all over it.
adycav said:
BMW seem to have got into a right old pickle with their model naming strategy:
They have an M1 coming out which they can't call an M1 because of sentiment.
They have a new sub-1 series smaller car coming - expect to see the 0.516i on the road soon.
They have a 2-seater sports car which is preposterously christened the "Z4 sdrive35is".
They have M versions of the X5 and X6 which they have had to call X5/X6 M rather than adopt their regular naming strategy for M cars, due to a popular Japanese roadster that you may have heard of (and its less popular coupe cousin).
Don't these people think things through?
I used to own a 130i, that's nice and simple - a 1 series with a three litre engine.
I agree, it's a total mess. I still can't work out if the 118d is a 2-litre or a 1.8, and they have made the same mess with their motorbikes too. F650 anyone? Oh that'll be a 800cc then...They have an M1 coming out which they can't call an M1 because of sentiment.
They have a new sub-1 series smaller car coming - expect to see the 0.516i on the road soon.
They have a 2-seater sports car which is preposterously christened the "Z4 sdrive35is".
They have M versions of the X5 and X6 which they have had to call X5/X6 M rather than adopt their regular naming strategy for M cars, due to a popular Japanese roadster that you may have heard of (and its less popular coupe cousin).
Don't these people think things through?
I used to own a 130i, that's nice and simple - a 1 series with a three litre engine.
It will have to be very good to convince me not to buy a secondhand e90 M3 instead. I don't see how they are going to be able to make it a decent proposition given the prices of a new 135 at the moment. The rarity of the thing could help given it's going to be a pretty limited run with the new 1er coming out soon after.
This car will be a horrible compromise, as BMW will not want to make a car that's cheaper and better than their M3...
Why didn't they have the balls to stick to the tii concept and drop a nice revvy 4 cylinder motor in this car? Like a road legal version of the WTCC engine? Put it on a massive weight saving program and create a bespoke chassis, like the original E30 M3 and spend a while tuning the suspension, steering etc to perfection.
This is not a proper M car, just another half baked PR exercise from some young middle manager type who thinks he knows what an M car should be.
This could have been such a good car (I'm not saying that it'll be a bad car per se) and with petrol prices the way they are, who wants a 3 litre six? In this market segment a 120tii would surely have been a massive hit. I would have aspired to owning a lightweight, hardcore 120tii or whatever they may have called it but this? No thanks, pointless and cynical. Who runs the M department these days?
Why didn't they have the balls to stick to the tii concept and drop a nice revvy 4 cylinder motor in this car? Like a road legal version of the WTCC engine? Put it on a massive weight saving program and create a bespoke chassis, like the original E30 M3 and spend a while tuning the suspension, steering etc to perfection.
This is not a proper M car, just another half baked PR exercise from some young middle manager type who thinks he knows what an M car should be.
This could have been such a good car (I'm not saying that it'll be a bad car per se) and with petrol prices the way they are, who wants a 3 litre six? In this market segment a 120tii would surely have been a massive hit. I would have aspired to owning a lightweight, hardcore 120tii or whatever they may have called it but this? No thanks, pointless and cynical. Who runs the M department these days?
Mr Gear said:
adycav said:
BMW seem to have got into a right old pickle with their model naming strategy:
They have an M1 coming out which they can't call an M1 because of sentiment.
They have a new sub-1 series smaller car coming - expect to see the 0.516i on the road soon.
They have a 2-seater sports car which is preposterously christened the "Z4 sdrive35is".
They have M versions of the X5 and X6 which they have had to call X5/X6 M rather than adopt their regular naming strategy for M cars, due to a popular Japanese roadster that you may have heard of (and its less popular coupe cousin).
Don't these people think things through?
I used to own a 130i, that's nice and simple - a 1 series with a three litre engine.
I agree, it's a total mess. I still can't work out if the 118d is a 2-litre or a 1.8, and they have made the same mess with their motorbikes too. F650 anyone? Oh that'll be a 800cc then...They have an M1 coming out which they can't call an M1 because of sentiment.
They have a new sub-1 series smaller car coming - expect to see the 0.516i on the road soon.
They have a 2-seater sports car which is preposterously christened the "Z4 sdrive35is".
They have M versions of the X5 and X6 which they have had to call X5/X6 M rather than adopt their regular naming strategy for M cars, due to a popular Japanese roadster that you may have heard of (and its less popular coupe cousin).
Don't these people think things through?
I used to own a 130i, that's nice and simple - a 1 series with a three litre engine.
They should call it the M1.
How will a 135i M be differentiated from a 135i M Sport? Whilst the original M1 was a wonderful piece of kit it was a hell of a long time ago and they're never going to revive the name.
If they built an balls out R8 v10 competitor it would surely be more likely be called the M10?
How will a 135i M be differentiated from a 135i M Sport? Whilst the original M1 was a wonderful piece of kit it was a hell of a long time ago and they're never going to revive the name.
If they built an balls out R8 v10 competitor it would surely be more likely be called the M10?
mat205125 said:
Rusty-C said:
I think this could be the M car we've all been waiting for (now they've dropped the four-cylinder turbo nonsense), if BMW can shed a few pounds and add a dusting of aggression, i'll be a very happy camper.
It's the right size for an M-Car for sure, and whilst I'm still a little indifferent about forced induction, I can see it being the pick of the family.
My fingers and toes are all crossed praying that it is an M car targetted at "us" rather than the potential buyer who would consider one for its top trumps stats and shiny tinsel stuck all over it.
CraigGTI6 said:
This car will be a horrible compromise, as BMW will not want to make a car that's cheaper and better than their M3...
Why didn't they have the balls to stick to the tii concept and drop a nice revvy 4 cylinder motor in this car? Like a road legal version of the WTCC engine? Put it on a massive weight saving program and create a bespoke chassis, like the original E30 M3 and spend a while tuning the suspension, steering etc to perfection.
This is not a proper M car, just another half baked PR exercise from some young middle manager type who thinks he knows what an M car should be.
This could have been such a good car (I'm not saying that it'll be a bad car per se) and with petrol prices the way they are, who wants a 3 litre six? In this market segment a 120tii would surely have been a massive hit. I would have aspired to owning a lightweight, hardcore 120tii or whatever they may have called it but this? No thanks, pointless and cynical. Who runs the M department these days?
While I agree in theory......I doubt it's actually achievable in practice.Why didn't they have the balls to stick to the tii concept and drop a nice revvy 4 cylinder motor in this car? Like a road legal version of the WTCC engine? Put it on a massive weight saving program and create a bespoke chassis, like the original E30 M3 and spend a while tuning the suspension, steering etc to perfection.
This is not a proper M car, just another half baked PR exercise from some young middle manager type who thinks he knows what an M car should be.
This could have been such a good car (I'm not saying that it'll be a bad car per se) and with petrol prices the way they are, who wants a 3 litre six? In this market segment a 120tii would surely have been a massive hit. I would have aspired to owning a lightweight, hardcore 120tii or whatever they may have called it but this? No thanks, pointless and cynical. Who runs the M department these days?
Safety legislation means it's going to be heavy.....no way would they be able to shave 2-300kg's off a 1er coupe to get down to E30 weight levels, and a 300hp n/a four cyl engine is not going to make emissions rules, which would mean you'd have as many prospective owners complaining that it not fast enough/equiped enough/whatever enough to be a real ///M .....
BMW will alienate potential owners either way, either from the it's not hardcore enough blah, blah or it's not got Sat Nav, leccy seats, quad exhausts, 50 million ///M badges etc., blah, blah.
So, I suspect they view that there's less potential 'hardcore' owners.....hence you end up with a compromise.
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