RE: Hot New Jaguar XKR Posts 7:58 Nurburgring Lap

[FWDRacer]

300bhp/ton said:

FWDRacer said:

leon9191 said:

PLEASE NOTE THIS CAR WILL HAVE AN AUTO GEAR BOX!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a DSG or an automated manual a full on wafty ZF auto.

When you factor that in I think its pretty bloody quick

Jag Dynamic Mode = Full manual control On paddles on the ZF box. You can bounce the thing on the rev-limiter if desired and the shifts are very, very quick. This application of the ZF 6sp-Box is touted as the best in the whole automotive business. Might even be the best kept secret too.

After you've had your fun you can switch it into full on slush-box mode and let your missus drive down the local boutique in it...

But nothing new, the Yanks have been swapping out manual valve bodies on auto boxes for decades in the aftermarket, combine that with a ratchet shifter and it'd offer a similar experience to using a sequential box.

This has a warranty. As you were.

[Dagnut]

monthefish said:

Dagnut said:

Subaru just posted 7.55 with the new saloon STI(not the 400hp Cosworth version) so it's not that impressive.

It's very impressive.

Just because an STI went round three seconds (a fraction of a percent) quicker doesn't detract from that. At all.
According to the link above, a Ferrari F430 in the hands of Horst von Saurma 'only' managed a 7:55.

Same time for a 'very track focussed' Caterham R500...

Anyone remember Jethro Bovindon (formerly of Evo) buying an E36 M3 and spending quite a bit of money honing it for a sub-8 min ring lap? Think the best he got was 8:15 or something....

Well done Jag.

I don't think a car with 330bhp per ton that's had suspension tweaks specifically for the job doing 7.55 is that impressive..obviously being "impressed" is a suggestive term but you have to compare it to other manufactures achievements especially if they are going to advertise the fact.
The f430 was done about 4 years ago..tyre technology improvements alone would get the time down significantly never mind the suspension set up , Porsche managed to get the panmera turbo around in about the same time!!
I'm sure an experienced driver could get the time down but they should of just waited until getting a better driver

[300bhp/ton]

Dagnut said:

I don't think a car with 330bhp per ton that's had suspension tweaks specifically for the job doing 7.55 is that impressive..obviously being "impressed" is a suggestive term but you have to compare it to other manufactures achievements especially if they are going to advertise the fact.

Dagnut said:

The f430 was done about 4 years ago..tyre technology improvements alone would get the time down significantly

On PH, people often harp on about such things as tyre tech. So, just curious, what tyre tech that the Jag used wasn't available to the F430 less than a handful of years ago?

Dagnut said:

never mind the suspension set up

Same as with the tyres really, has anything really changed? What is this tech?

Dagnut said:

I'm sure an experienced driver could get the time down but they should of just waited until getting a better driver

That's a pretty bold statement, I assume you know the driver of the Jag to be able to personally vouch they are pretty rubbish behind the wheel then??

[pagani1]

Is this the same ACO who brought out 3 safety cars at the same time and slowed the Audi's enough to try and ensure a gap to the Peugeots of over a minute-aha!
I think Jaguar should be congratulated for a sub 8 minute run and will the car be at Goodwood Festival of Speed?

[Laurel Green]

Impressive time - especially, considering the driver is a development driver and not a ring driver. Well done Jaguar.

[chimpanzee]

I am reliably informed the driver was Dirk Schoysman.

[Housey]

chimpanzee said:

I am reliably informed the driver was Dirk Schoysman.

Which other forum did you read that on?

[GrahamG]

Oh for god's sake!

Rumours of the ACO 'spiking' the Jag effort - Utter and total rubbish - If the ACO hadn't wanted the car there they would not have invited it - and the timing system is the same as its been for years - If there was a conflict (and I'm about 4500% certain that there wasn't!) then whose fault was that?

Yokohama tyres blamed for lack of competitiveness - Well there's a simple answer to that isn't there? Put the car on Michelins, Dunlops or Hankooks

No excuses, no flannel - this effort is nowhere near good enough for a factory-backed effort - Jaguar's history deserves far better.

Perhaps Chris next time you might spend less time having lunch and more time looking at this programme's record before touting jingoistic rubbish - That was as awful a piece of journalism as I've seen in quite a while.

Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 12:54

Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 16:44

[Laurel Green]

chimpanzee said:

I am reliably informed the driver was Dirk Schoysman.

Ah! OK, so the driver did have more than a tad of an inkling on the track. It does take away, albeit slightly the impressiveness but, is still a very fine performance though.

[Dagnut]

300bhp/ton said:

Dagnut said:

I don't think a car with 330bhp per ton that's had suspension tweaks specifically for the job doing 7.55 is that impressive..obviously being "impressed" is a suggestive term but you have to compare it to other manufactures achievements especially if they are going to advertise the fact.

Dagnut said:

The f430 was done about 4 years ago..tyre technology improvements alone would get the time down significantly

On PH, people often harp on about such things as tyre tech. So, just curious, what tyre tech that the Jag used wasn't available to the F430 less than a handful of years ago?

Dagnut said:

never mind the suspension set up

Same as with the tyres really, has anything really changed? What is this tech?

Dagnut said:

I'm sure an experienced driver could get the time down but they should of just waited until getting a better driver

That's a pretty bold statement, I assume you know the driver of the Jag to be able to personally vouch they are pretty rubbish behind the wheel then??

On tyres are you serious? Nissan came back after 3 MONTHS with improved tyres and lowered their time. Honestly, if you think tyre technology doesn't even move on from year to year let alone 4 years you have no experience of driving at the limit on good tyres. That is a completely ignorant statement which I'm surprised has come from you.

The F430 that went around was standard, my point about suspension was that jaguar made suspension revisions for the purpose of doing a time attack on the ring.

The point about the driver was simply echoing the claims by Jaguar that it wasn't "some hot-shoe racing driver', according to the Jaguar boss.

Hope that answers your remarks.

[Ed]

FWDRacer said:

leon9191 said:

PLEASE NOTE THIS CAR WILL HAVE AN AUTO GEAR BOX!!!!!!!!!!!

Not a DSG or an automated manual a full on wafty ZF auto.

When you factor that in I think its pretty bloody quick

Jag Dynamic Mode = Full manual control On paddles on the ZF box. You can bounce the thing on the rev-limiter if desired and the shifts are very, very quick. This application of the ZF 6sp-Box is touted as the best in the whole automotive business. Might even be the best kept secret too.

After you've had your fun you can switch it into full on slush-box mode and let your missus drive down the local boutique in it...

This gear box is phenominally good...there is nothing about this system that detracts from the experience of a cracking GT car. For a car which you could comfortably tour Europe in that Ring time simply demonstrates that the XKR is a very serious all round package. I'd take one of these over Pork any day.

[HowardB]

unless there are two of these awsome lime green monsters, I saw it today on the A46 near Warwick, sounded great!

[Kawasicki]

It's not unusual for professional racing drivers to be utterly embarrased by unheard of test drivers. Test drivers can have as much natural skill as the best (household name) race driver, they get huge exposure to the vehicle, combined with lots and lots of track time (8-10 hours a day for weeks on end). It's difficult for anyone to compete against that. I'm not guessing that this situation could happen, I've seen the surprised faces when the stopwatch is viewed.

[BSC]

chimpanzee said:

I am reliably informed the driver was Dirk Schoysman.

A well-known and experienced test driver for Jaguar and Aston Martin is Wolfgang Schuhbauer, he is an extremely friendly chap. I could imagine that the lap time was set by him.

He took AutoExpress magazine around the Nordschleife in a Jaguar XF recently, you may watch it on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGy7lnp67us

[cpufreak]

I heard it was Dirk, too.

www.topline.be said:

More recently moving on to Touring Cars he raced as a factory driver for Nissan in the Belgian Touring Car Championship in 1998 and 1999. With more than thirty 24 hour races under his belt (including Spa-Francorchamps, Daytona and the Nürburgring) Dirk has won his class on many occasions and now concentrates on endurance events in the Touring and GT classes.

Not some hot shoe race driver... right.. pull the other one Jag

Edited by cpufreak on Wednesday 16th June 19:11

[chimpanzee]

Housey said:

chimpanzee said:

I am reliably informed the driver was Dirk Schoysman.

Which other forum did you read that on?

Actually I was told by someone who works at another car company who saw the car on the ring over a number of days in April, each time with Dirk driving.

[Chris-R]

GrahamG said:

Oh for god's sake!

Rumours of the ACO 'spiking' the Jag effort - Utter and total rubbish - If the ACO hadn't wanted the car there they would not have invited it - and the timing system is the same as its been for years - If there was a conflict (and I'm about 4500% certain that there wasn't!) then whose fault was that?

Yokohama tyres blamed for lack of competitiveness - Well there's a simple answer to that isn't there? Put the car on Michelins, Dunlops or Hankooks

No excuses, no flannel - this effort is nowhere near good enough for a factory-backed effort - Jaguar's history deserves far better.

Perhaps Chris next time you might spend less time having lunch and more time looking at this programme's record before touting jingoistic rubbish - That was as awful a piece of journalism as I've seen in quite a while.

Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 12:54

Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 16:44

Er, sorry Graham. Tongue now removed from cheek ref. ACO spiking Jaguar's guns!

Ref. the black boxes, I reported one suggestion doing the rounds on the day. However, the conclusion you draw on that (if it happens to be true) is the same one that I would. Sounds pretty inept doesn't it?

Ref. tyres. The team would love to get its hands on Michelin tyres, but they made a deal with Yokohama when putting the team together and sadly you can't just buy racing Michelins 'off the shelf' so it's nothing like as simple as you say. (It's such a competitive business the Jag team can't even get hold of a spare set of Michelins to test with.) However I wouldn't be surprised to see the car on Michelins next season unless Yokohama gets its act together - which could also happen.

Ref. Not good enough for a factory effort. Not sure many people would disagree with that, and there was at least one cruel headline in the French press to that effect on Sunday. I suspect there are people inside Jaguar thinking the same thing.

Ref. The team's record. To be fair the article does state the team isn't up to speed in the ALMS.

Ref. Lunch. Well, at least that was good even if you thought the journalism wasn't. Although you do seem to have successfully drawn your own conclusions from the story, which was pretty much the point of writing it in the first place.

Either way, I will definitely be interested to see whether JaguarRSR has managed to turn anything around by the time they get to Silverstone in September.

[LuS1fer]

Cadillac CTS-V - full-size saloon - 7:59.32

[TheRoadWarrior]

LuS1fer said:

Cadillac CTS-V - full-size saloon - 7:59.32

So what your saying is the CTS-V is slower?

[LuS1fer]

TheRoadWarrior said:

LuS1fer said:

Cadillac CTS-V - full-size saloon - 7:59.32

So what your saying is the CTS-V is slower?

Than a full-blown Jaguar aluminium sports coupe - yes - by 1.3 seconds.