RE: Hot New Jaguar XKR Posts 7:58 Nurburgring Lap
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Chris-R said:
GrahamG said:
Oh for god's sake!
Rumours of the ACO 'spiking' the Jag effort - Utter and total rubbish - If the ACO hadn't wanted the car there they would not have invited it - and the timing system is the same as its been for years - If there was a conflict (and I'm about 4500% certain that there wasn't!) then whose fault was that?
Yokohama tyres blamed for lack of competitiveness - Well there's a simple answer to that isn't there? Put the car on Michelins, Dunlops or Hankooks
No excuses, no flannel - this effort is nowhere near good enough for a factory-backed effort - Jaguar's history deserves far better.
Perhaps Chris next time you might spend less time having lunch and more time looking at this programme's record before touting jingoistic rubbish - That was as awful a piece of journalism as I've seen in quite a while.
Er, sorry Graham. Tongue now removed from cheek ref. ACO spiking Jaguar's guns!Rumours of the ACO 'spiking' the Jag effort - Utter and total rubbish - If the ACO hadn't wanted the car there they would not have invited it - and the timing system is the same as its been for years - If there was a conflict (and I'm about 4500% certain that there wasn't!) then whose fault was that?
Yokohama tyres blamed for lack of competitiveness - Well there's a simple answer to that isn't there? Put the car on Michelins, Dunlops or Hankooks
No excuses, no flannel - this effort is nowhere near good enough for a factory-backed effort - Jaguar's history deserves far better.
Perhaps Chris next time you might spend less time having lunch and more time looking at this programme's record before touting jingoistic rubbish - That was as awful a piece of journalism as I've seen in quite a while.
Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 12:54
Edited by GrahamG on Tuesday 15th June 16:44
Ref. the black boxes, I reported one suggestion doing the rounds on the day. However, the conclusion you draw on that (if it happens to be true) is the same one that I would. Sounds pretty inept doesn't it?
Ref. tyres. The team would love to get its hands on Michelin tyres, but they made a deal with Yokohama when putting the team together and sadly you can't just buy racing Michelins 'off the shelf' so it's nothing like as simple as you say. (It's such a competitive business the Jag team can't even get hold of a spare set of Michelins to test with.) However I wouldn't be surprised to see the car on Michelins next season unless Yokohama gets its act together - which could also happen.
Ref. Not good enough for a factory effort. Not sure many people would disagree with that, and there was at least one cruel headline in the French press to that effect on Sunday. I suspect there are people inside Jaguar thinking the same thing.
Ref. The team's record. To be fair the article does state the team isn't up to speed in the ALMS.
Ref. Lunch. Well, at least that was good even if you thought the journalism wasn't. Although you do seem to have successfully drawn your own conclusions from the story, which was pretty much the point of writing it in the first place.
Either way, I will definitely be interested to see whether JaguarRSR has managed to turn anything around by the time they get to Silverstone in September.
I'm always happy to give any new programme the benefit of the doubt but the team's performance all week was pretty unimpressive.
I, together with hundreds of thousands of others, would LOVE to see a Jaguar sportscar programme back banging heads with the big boys but th evidence of the past several months would seem to indicate that this isn't the one!
That's a damn shame for all involved but I suspect that if things aren't a whole lot better come Silverstone then this effort has some major explaining to do.
On the upside the car sounds fantastic - On the downside the soundtrack and the visual evidence just don't match up!
GrahamG said:
Chris - Thanks for the response - and mild (if not absolute) apologies for my rather acid tone. The reason we were given for the Jag's retirement were a) burned out wiring loom and b. (from a team insider) blown engine. Either way it is very bad form to blame an external factor - and not at all clever to blame the ACO!
I'm always happy to give any new programme the benefit of the doubt but the team's performance all week was pretty unimpressive.
I, together with hundreds of thousands of others, would LOVE to see a Jaguar sportscar programme back banging heads with the big boys but th evidence of the past several months would seem to indicate that this isn't the one!
That's a damn shame for all involved but I suspect that if things aren't a whole lot better come Silverstone then this effort has some major explaining to do.
On the upside the car sounds fantastic - On the downside the soundtrack and the visual evidence just don't match up!
All I can say is that on Sunday afternoon, Jaguar's MD described the problem to me as purely engine management related - with the power drop at 5750rpm as described in the story. There was no suggestion of a burned out loom or engine failure at that time, and the internal view was that some sort of electrical interference was a possible culprit. As the mechanics hadn't been able to trace anything in the pit garage, it was all shrouded in a bit of mystery - or fudge!I'm always happy to give any new programme the benefit of the doubt but the team's performance all week was pretty unimpressive.
I, together with hundreds of thousands of others, would LOVE to see a Jaguar sportscar programme back banging heads with the big boys but th evidence of the past several months would seem to indicate that this isn't the one!
That's a damn shame for all involved but I suspect that if things aren't a whole lot better come Silverstone then this effort has some major explaining to do.
On the upside the car sounds fantastic - On the downside the soundtrack and the visual evidence just don't match up!
Dagnut said:
300bhp/ton said:
Dagnut said:
I don't think a car with 330bhp per ton that's had suspension tweaks specifically for the job doing 7.55 is that impressive..obviously being "impressed" is a suggestive term but you have to compare it to other manufactures achievements especially if they are going to advertise the fact.
Dagnut said:
The f430 was done about 4 years ago..tyre technology improvements alone would get the time down significantly
On PH, people often harp on about such things as tyre tech. So, just curious, what tyre tech that the Jag used wasn't available to the F430 less than a handful of years ago?Dagnut said:
never mind the suspension set up
Same as with the tyres really, has anything really changed? What is this tech?Dagnut said:
I'm sure an experienced driver could get the time down but they should of just waited until getting a better driver
That's a pretty bold statement, I assume you know the driver of the Jag to be able to personally vouch they are pretty rubbish behind the wheel then??The F430 that went around was standard, my point about suspension was that jaguar made suspension revisions for the purpose of doing a time attack on the ring.
The point about the driver was simply echoing the claims by Jaguar that it wasn't "some hot-shoe racing driver', according to the Jaguar boss.
Hope that answers your remarks.
300bhp/ton said:
hardmouse1 said:
Im not sure if i like this car... i think i would rather spend my money on something else..... fair enough the lap was fairly quick, but that still not going to make me buy one!!
I think the car needs upgrading......
How and why?I think the car needs upgrading......
Edited by hardmouse1 on Tuesday 15th June 08:56
Edited by hardmouse1 on Tuesday 15th June 08:57
Just curious
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