RE: Bugatti Supersport With 1200hp: Truth Or Fiction?

RE: Bugatti Supersport With 1200hp: Truth Or Fiction?

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harryowl

1,114 posts

181 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.

The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.

The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)

ads_green

838 posts

232 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??

I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....

anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Yes - drag proportional to the sqaure of speed so taking wiki's numbers of
Top speed: 253 and 987 bhp then 1200 bhp could yeild 270mph.

(by the same logic it's "only" using 480odd bhp to maintain 200mph).

theironduke

6,995 posts

188 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??

I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....

anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
IIRC

The current Veyron uses C300 of its horses to get to 150 but to do the next 100 mph to get to 250 it needs the other 700 BHP.

I recall this being heard on Top Gear so may not be accurate..

bales

1,905 posts

218 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.

The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.

The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)
What the balls has any of what you just stated got to do with the quality of its engineering??

What you are doing is using a very narrow definition of what you deem to be good engineering.


The Wookie

13,936 posts

228 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??

I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....

anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Just done a quick sim, that power increase is good for at least that top speed.

Worth noting that with the 1000bhp of the standard car, (assuming I'm relatively close with the frontal area) it would need to be quite close to critical gearing to hit 252mph, so a change of final drive would probably be necessary to increase the top speed

Edited by The Wookie on Wednesday 16th June 14:43

marcosgt

11,018 posts

176 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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bales said:
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.

The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.

The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)
What the balls has any of what you just stated got to do with the quality of its engineering??

What you are doing is using a very narrow definition of what you deem to be good engineering.
Well - I see his point - Exquisite suggest fine and just enough to me.

The Veyron's a "wonder" of engineering - Like the Forth Rail Bridge smile

M.

alolympic

700 posts

197 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Why should we care? even if true it is a totally irrelevant change to a car out of reach of probably on here

eyebeebe

2,978 posts

233 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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alolympic said:
Why should we care? even if true it is a totally irrelevant change to a car out of reach of probably on here
redcardbyebye

Out of reach or not, it's an interesting car.

Stu_00

1,529 posts

219 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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S/S sounds cool - hopefully in the same vein as the EB 110SS.

Veyron / Venom GT - Two differnt cars. However I do admire them for creating a longer Exige type hypercar I cannot help thinking the two experiences will be chalk and cheese.

A) Veyron - Fast, GT Hypercar that is about as cost effective to run as Concorde with the same levels of comfort but with Blackbird performance.

B)Venom GT Blackbird performance with the qurks of blackbird/ Lotus build quality. I noticed it has the same indicator modules as the Elise/Exige S2 cars, these fall out all of the time due to cheap/unacceptable design. However cannot help thinking this thing is going to feel like blackbird power in a go kart - end result an amazing near death experience - As much as we would all like the comfort of the Veyron - I am sure the petrolheads of us would love the sheer madness of the Venom GT!

So in Summary - Veyron for GT car / Venom GT for just making you feel alive! smile

muthaducka

381 posts

184 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Do you know of any other 240mph+ car that could cruise at 240 and then do the same next week and the week after in scorching heat - that's the engineering package for you.

The engineering isn't always obvious
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.

The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.

The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)

Varsity

90 posts

183 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Buy a GT-R, a pub and a mail order bride, put the rest in the bank and sit back and smile!

Simples, why make life more complicated?


Mr Whippy

29,024 posts

241 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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muthaducka said:
Do you know of any other 240mph+ car that could cruise at 240 and then do the same next week and the week after in scorching heat - that's the engineering package for you.

The engineering isn't always obvious
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.

The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.

The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)
Exactly.

It's the useability too. On the road in real terms it's probably miles faster than most hypercars just because it's designed to have it's performance accessible.

If that is a good thing or not is another thing, but there is no doubting it is an effective tool and just awe inspiring!

Dave

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

199 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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alolympic said:
Why should we care? even if true it is a totally irrelevant change to a car out of reach of probably on here
Because we like cars, I prefer cars I can aspire to own with some sense of reality and the Veyron is not one of those. But if they make the veyron better those engineers will eventually work on normal affordable cars and if some Veyron inspired bits make it onto a Golf GTI that I can afford that surely cannot be bad?

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

250 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Varsity said:
Simples, why make life more complicated?
Because that desire to "make life more complicated" invented the wheel, the steam engine, the internal combustion engine, put man on the moon, took photos of galaxies far far away, created HD tv, gave us porn on the internet and created a 242mph supercar. It's mans express need to "make life more complicated" that resulted in a bloke in his pants creating PistonHeads.

Never underestimate the good of "making life more complicated".

Chris_w666

22,655 posts

199 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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TonyHetherington said:
It's mans express need to "make life more complicated" that resulted in a bloke in his pants creating PistonHeads.
I always imagined Ted made PH in a shed using bits of old TVR and some Fibre Glass resin.

clonmult

10,529 posts

209 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Stu_00 said:
So in Summary - Veyron for GT car / Venom GT for just making you feel alive! smile
Until you use more than 10% of the throttle, the back end slides out in the most dramatic style possible, and you say byebye to the world with a seriously horrible stain in your pants.

Still, the Venom GT is going to be an amazing vehicle, but a polar opposite to the Veyron. Built for totally different purposes.

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Meh might be news when its 2000bhp...


No seriously but I have to laugh at people attitudes towards the Veyron...just because you can buy a 1000bhp car from Henneesy or Shelby supercars now people just think its run of the mill!! the Veyron did 250mph in the hands of James May..I would like to see any layman with balls to do 250 in that stretched Elise...making a 1000bhp drag car is great..making a usable 1000bhp GT is a completely different scenario.

leon9191

752 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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I want a go in a veyron really badly.

I wonder what they could wind that motor up to if the really tried, If the GM LS V8s can make over 1200bhp with ease what can the W16 with 4 turbos make?

Dan 87

49 posts

167 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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If they do make this new model, I wonder whether they'll make any profit off it.... or will it just be another big marketing and PR showcase??

brams

29 posts

185 months

Wednesday 16th June 2010
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Having read factory technical documentation on the EB 16-4, my understanding is that it produces a *minimum* of 1001PS (high ambient temps etc), otherwise environmental factors such as barometric pressure, ambient air temperature (air density if you like) can allow the engine to produce in excess of 1050PS, I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect that under ideal circumstances (freezing at sea level) it can attain something like 5% increase.