RE: Bugatti Supersport With 1200hp: Truth Or Fiction?
Discussion
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??
I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Yes - drag proportional to the sqaure of speed so taking wiki's numbers of I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Top speed: 253 and 987 bhp then 1200 bhp could yeild 270mph.
(by the same logic it's "only" using 480odd bhp to maintain 200mph).
snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??
I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
IIRCI thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
The current Veyron uses C300 of its horses to get to 150 but to do the next 100 mph to get to 250 it needs the other 700 BHP.
I recall this being heard on Top Gear so may not be accurate..
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
What you are doing is using a very narrow definition of what you deem to be good engineering.
snorkel sucker said:
hmmmm.... im no mathematician but would that gain in horsepower really relate to that incresed top speed??
I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Just done a quick sim, that power increase is good for at least that top speed.I thought that for every extra mph above what the veyron already does, that requires a not inconsiderable hp increase to overcome the drag....
anyone brighter than me care to help me out?!!
Worth noting that with the 1000bhp of the standard car, (assuming I'm relatively close with the frontal area) it would need to be quite close to critical gearing to hit 252mph, so a change of final drive would probably be necessary to increase the top speed
Edited by The Wookie on Wednesday 16th June 14:43
bales said:
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
What you are doing is using a very narrow definition of what you deem to be good engineering.
The Veyron's a "wonder" of engineering - Like the Forth Rail Bridge
M.
S/S sounds cool - hopefully in the same vein as the EB 110SS.
Veyron / Venom GT - Two differnt cars. However I do admire them for creating a longer Exige type hypercar I cannot help thinking the two experiences will be chalk and cheese.
A) Veyron - Fast, GT Hypercar that is about as cost effective to run as Concorde with the same levels of comfort but with Blackbird performance.
B)Venom GT Blackbird performance with the qurks of blackbird/ Lotus build quality. I noticed it has the same indicator modules as the Elise/Exige S2 cars, these fall out all of the time due to cheap/unacceptable design. However cannot help thinking this thing is going to feel like blackbird power in a go kart - end result an amazing near death experience - As much as we would all like the comfort of the Veyron - I am sure the petrolheads of us would love the sheer madness of the Venom GT!
So in Summary - Veyron for GT car / Venom GT for just making you feel alive!
Veyron / Venom GT - Two differnt cars. However I do admire them for creating a longer Exige type hypercar I cannot help thinking the two experiences will be chalk and cheese.
A) Veyron - Fast, GT Hypercar that is about as cost effective to run as Concorde with the same levels of comfort but with Blackbird performance.
B)Venom GT Blackbird performance with the qurks of blackbird/ Lotus build quality. I noticed it has the same indicator modules as the Elise/Exige S2 cars, these fall out all of the time due to cheap/unacceptable design. However cannot help thinking this thing is going to feel like blackbird power in a go kart - end result an amazing near death experience - As much as we would all like the comfort of the Veyron - I am sure the petrolheads of us would love the sheer madness of the Venom GT!
So in Summary - Veyron for GT car / Venom GT for just making you feel alive!
Do you know of any other 240mph+ car that could cruise at 240 and then do the same next week and the week after in scorching heat - that's the engineering package for you.
The engineering isn't always obvious
The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)
The engineering isn't always obvious
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
muthaducka said:
Do you know of any other 240mph+ car that could cruise at 240 and then do the same next week and the week after in scorching heat - that's the engineering package for you.
The engineering isn't always obvious
The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.Exquisitely engineered? I dont know of any other 240mph+ car that needs quad turbos and TEN radiatiors!! It's Heavy, ugly and quite slow given the power in real term peformance (corners!!)
Exactly.The engineering isn't always obvious
harryowl said:
spoonoff said:
Frimley111R said:
No.The Veyron is an exquisitely engineered hypercar-to-end-all-hypercars and has all the money, influence and resources of the VW group to draw on.
The Venom is someone’s project, built in a shed, on a shoestring, which will go backwards into a hedge the first time it’s driver puts their foot down. It just happens to have the patronage of some of the PH team who are mates with the constructors.
It's the useability too. On the road in real terms it's probably miles faster than most hypercars just because it's designed to have it's performance accessible.
If that is a good thing or not is another thing, but there is no doubting it is an effective tool and just awe inspiring!
Dave
alolympic said:
Why should we care? even if true it is a totally irrelevant change to a car out of reach of probably on here
Because we like cars, I prefer cars I can aspire to own with some sense of reality and the Veyron is not one of those. But if they make the veyron better those engineers will eventually work on normal affordable cars and if some Veyron inspired bits make it onto a Golf GTI that I can afford that surely cannot be bad?Varsity said:
Simples, why make life more complicated?
Because that desire to "make life more complicated" invented the wheel, the steam engine, the internal combustion engine, put man on the moon, took photos of galaxies far far away, created HD tv, gave us porn on the internet and created a 242mph supercar. It's mans express need to "make life more complicated" that resulted in a bloke in his pants creating PistonHeads.Never underestimate the good of "making life more complicated".
Stu_00 said:
So in Summary - Veyron for GT car / Venom GT for just making you feel alive!
Until you use more than 10% of the throttle, the back end slides out in the most dramatic style possible, and you say byebye to the world with a seriously horrible stain in your pants.Still, the Venom GT is going to be an amazing vehicle, but a polar opposite to the Veyron. Built for totally different purposes.
Meh might be news when its 2000bhp...
No seriously but I have to laugh at people attitudes towards the Veyron...just because you can buy a 1000bhp car from Henneesy or Shelby supercars now people just think its run of the mill!! the Veyron did 250mph in the hands of James May..I would like to see any layman with balls to do 250 in that stretched Elise...making a 1000bhp drag car is great..making a usable 1000bhp GT is a completely different scenario.
No seriously but I have to laugh at people attitudes towards the Veyron...just because you can buy a 1000bhp car from Henneesy or Shelby supercars now people just think its run of the mill!! the Veyron did 250mph in the hands of James May..I would like to see any layman with balls to do 250 in that stretched Elise...making a 1000bhp drag car is great..making a usable 1000bhp GT is a completely different scenario.
Having read factory technical documentation on the EB 16-4, my understanding is that it produces a *minimum* of 1001PS (high ambient temps etc), otherwise environmental factors such as barometric pressure, ambient air temperature (air density if you like) can allow the engine to produce in excess of 1050PS, I don't think that it's unreasonable to expect that under ideal circumstances (freezing at sea level) it can attain something like 5% increase.
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