RE: EU Kills 1.8-litre Lotuses
Discussion
Lets just clarify a few things here:
1) As others have said Euro Standards for emissions do not include anything on CO2.
2) Euro 4 emissions standards requires less than 100 mg/km of HC, 80mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. Euro 5 requires less than 100 mg/km of HC (with a limit of 68 mg/km Non-Methane HC), 60mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. This is NOT a big increase in stringency at all! NOx shouldn't be an issue for gasoline engines and the aftertreatment technology (3-way cats) is more than capable of sorting this out.
3) Durability requirements have increased for Euro 5 and I believe there is now a requirement for deterioration factors to be used (so you can't just pass the test with a brand new engine which then fails 10mins later - hardly a serious increase in stringency).
I'm no fan of the EU - they deserve a good kicking for so many things - but it seems a bit much to blame them for this! I suspect that the biggest issue is likely to be one of electronics. One area where the new standards do up the bar is in On-Board Diagnostics which Toyota may simply not be supporting with this engine (the engine is getting pretty old now). As for the next Elise / Exige, it would seem sensible for Lotus to use the next generation of the Toyota engine.
Hope this informs...
JohnE
1) As others have said Euro Standards for emissions do not include anything on CO2.
2) Euro 4 emissions standards requires less than 100 mg/km of HC, 80mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. Euro 5 requires less than 100 mg/km of HC (with a limit of 68 mg/km Non-Methane HC), 60mg/km NOx and 1000 mg/km of CO. This is NOT a big increase in stringency at all! NOx shouldn't be an issue for gasoline engines and the aftertreatment technology (3-way cats) is more than capable of sorting this out.
3) Durability requirements have increased for Euro 5 and I believe there is now a requirement for deterioration factors to be used (so you can't just pass the test with a brand new engine which then fails 10mins later - hardly a serious increase in stringency).
I'm no fan of the EU - they deserve a good kicking for so many things - but it seems a bit much to blame them for this! I suspect that the biggest issue is likely to be one of electronics. One area where the new standards do up the bar is in On-Board Diagnostics which Toyota may simply not be supporting with this engine (the engine is getting pretty old now). As for the next Elise / Exige, it would seem sensible for Lotus to use the next generation of the Toyota engine.
Hope this informs...
JohnE
Euro 5 is announced for a long time already... Every car manufacturer wanting to sell cars in Europe knows about the compliance date and must have taken measures to conform to these standards. Hence, Lotus knew long time beforehand that Toyota was going to stop production of their engine and that they had to find a replacement.
It is not a last moment decision taking everybody by surprise. Just wait and see what will pop-up after they have sold the last few Euro 4 cars.
It is not a last moment decision taking everybody by surprise. Just wait and see what will pop-up after they have sold the last few Euro 4 cars.
MSTRBKR said:
B10 said:
MSTRBKR said:
Methane is 20x more harmful to the environment than CO2, that's a fact.
Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.
Go vegan.Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.
Are you another person having a tantrum about CO2 in a thread that is about Euro emissions targets?
Edited by Mr Gear on Monday 21st June 13:28
RobCrezz said:
leon9191 said:
petrolveins said:
Mr Gear said:
petrolveins said:
Mr Gear said:
petrolveins said:
jazzdevil said:
rypt said:
God damn EU regs
+1The same regs have killed the RX8 too... so who/what is next on the hit-list?
Phewww.... deeep breath and... relax.
Edited by Mr Gear on Monday 21st June 12:51
A number of reasons, I won't go into here, there's another thread for that somewhere. It's just those that jump on the anti-car wagon and go about preaching the end of the world if you use your car, when they really don't have any of their facts straight. I must say it's a great subject to have very long discussion about. My neighbor for instance is a very interesting man, used to work for Shell, and spends a lot of his time keeping up with developments in everything climate change, some really fascinating stuff that really more people should know before they embarrass each other and chain themselves to Range Rovers. My phyisics teacher is also what one could call a sceptic, and he really knows his stuff, also has some interesting ideas. One for instance is that all this global warming talk was started by Maggie in the 80s so she could try and build some nuclear power-stations and stop relying on coal.
Graham said:
blimey an elise is 40k these days... and people still think TVR should be able to build a car with a v8 and flog it for less than 30k
The original basic Elise was about £21k, and if you put that into an inflation calculator, such as readily available online, you get about £30k, and the present base model is even less than that I think. Ergo, £40k for a top of the range Elise seems reasonable. MSTRBKR said:
B10 said:
MSTRBKR said:
Methane is 20x more harmful to the environment than CO2, that's a fact.
Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.
Go vegan.Kill all the cows I say. Milk is disgusting anyway and bacon is a better form of meat. Win win situation.
BBS-LM said:
ZesPak said:
Odd, I must have a font conflict somewhere.I'm a web developer, and there are two browsers I hate "fine tuning" the websites for:
- IE
- Mac Safari combo
But because of the small target group, I usually don't bother with the latter
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