RE: Abarth 695 Tributo Ferrari Confirmed For Blighty
Discussion
Hellbound said:
FishFace said:
Next they'll build an indoor theme park in the tat capitol of the world.
Sorry? Abu Dhabi is now the 'tat capitol of the world'? That's news to me.There's actually more tat to be found in a square inch of some parts of the UK, if you'd bothered to open your eyes.
there are sooo many posts in this thread that i wanted to quote but this is the one that is easiest to start with.
they will sell them all, of thought i am sure. deal with it.
it looks good and will be a hoot to drive, for those that can afford it (excludes >99% of people in this thread i'd guess).
and the above quote relating to abu dhabi is true, from a true born and bred englishman, open your eyes and have a look at what our county has become, i'm ashamed.
btw, deliberately not capitalised words for those who wish to jump all over posts that don't confirm exactly to true english prose. < j00 are l33t
mitch_ said:
ivantate said:
Wonder if it is an introduction for the multiair engine, or really just a runout model for the old version.
Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
No it isn't a Dualogic, having had the privilege of a go in one at Balocco I can only say the gearbox is a dream and exceedingly aggressive.Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
I find it saddening sometimes to read this forum as I wonder when all the enthusiasts left and when all the haters moved in. The world would be a sad place if it wasn't for car manufacturers pushing the envelope with mad little offerings like this from time to time. I guess there's always the Aygo for those that don't like it.....
djt100 said:
So is this going to be sold as a ferrari or fiat, If it's a ferrari, then is this just the first of many to get the Co2 averages down ???, same way as the aston IQ thingy
Yes at last, somebody actually realises why Ferrari are actually doing this. It seams everybody else has missed the point. Expect to see shopping cart lambos, Bugatti etc. soon as well. soon. k-ink said:
Will Ferrari ever stop whoring their ass?
Free marketing & apparently it puts something like 40m Euros or more on the bottom line for bugger all effort, so no. In the current climate there are plenty of others who'd w
e their ass to kngdom come for that.I'm amazed so many people are hooked up the price though. If you have a few Dobbins and you wan't a little runaround (or your wife/daughter/son does), the cost doesn't particularly register.
ClintonB said:
I'm amazed so many people are hooked up the price though. If you have a few Dobbins and you wan't a little runaround (or your wife/daughter/son does), the cost doesn't particularly register.
Exactly, nobody is going to buy one of these as their only vehicle, affluent types will just want one and add it to their collection.For all the people wingeing about haters, is this car actually built for 'pistonheads'?
Yes its fast but we know that Fiat seemed to spend next to no time developing the chassis on the original Abarth 500, hanging more shiny parts off it wont make it any better unless they have been set up correctly. Many road tests have put the Mini, Twingo and no doubt Clio far ahead of it in ability. EVO went as far to say the Panda 100hp was far more fun and achieved more for the people it was targeting.
So is it of any interest to those of use who like the engineering as much as whether people will look at us while driving it, does it have the multiair? engine of the year etc.... which again should be in a showcase like this, even if the first ones go pop after a while. Is the transmission a duologic on synchro munching steroids? or is it a new dual clutch tranmission for the small range of fiats. Although at 260bhp and whatever torque it may be a bit big and aggressive for the million white 500 1.2s that are crying out for a proper auto.
Has any work been done on stiffening the shell, have they used some plastic panels to lighten it etc.... this is what makes an interesting car not a branded set of brakes and some even bigger wheels which it seems half the people on this site seem to fall for.
As I said I dont mind car companies doing this but generally they appear to be a cynical (successful) marketing exercise rather than anything substanstial. Admittedly Fiat seem to have gone further than most and I hope that some of the work will leak down onto the regular models.
Yes its fast but we know that Fiat seemed to spend next to no time developing the chassis on the original Abarth 500, hanging more shiny parts off it wont make it any better unless they have been set up correctly. Many road tests have put the Mini, Twingo and no doubt Clio far ahead of it in ability. EVO went as far to say the Panda 100hp was far more fun and achieved more for the people it was targeting.
So is it of any interest to those of use who like the engineering as much as whether people will look at us while driving it, does it have the multiair? engine of the year etc.... which again should be in a showcase like this, even if the first ones go pop after a while. Is the transmission a duologic on synchro munching steroids? or is it a new dual clutch tranmission for the small range of fiats. Although at 260bhp and whatever torque it may be a bit big and aggressive for the million white 500 1.2s that are crying out for a proper auto.
Has any work been done on stiffening the shell, have they used some plastic panels to lighten it etc.... this is what makes an interesting car not a branded set of brakes and some even bigger wheels which it seems half the people on this site seem to fall for.
As I said I dont mind car companies doing this but generally they appear to be a cynical (successful) marketing exercise rather than anything substanstial. Admittedly Fiat seem to have gone further than most and I hope that some of the work will leak down onto the regular models.
Piffle said:
djt100 said:
So is this going to be sold as a ferrari or fiat, If it's a ferrari, then is this just the first of many to get the Co2 averages down ???, same way as the aston IQ thingy
Yes at last, somebody actually realises why Ferrari are actually doing this. It seams everybody else has missed the point. Expect to see shopping cart lambos, Bugatti etc. soon as well. soon. donz29 said:
mitch_ said:
ivantate said:
Wonder if it is an introduction for the multiair engine, or really just a runout model for the old version.
Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
No it isn't a Dualogic, having had the privilege of a go in one at Balocco I can only say the gearbox is a dream and exceedingly aggressive.Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
I find it saddening sometimes to read this forum as I wonder when all the enthusiasts left and when all the haters moved in. The world would be a sad place if it wasn't for car manufacturers pushing the envelope with mad little offerings like this from time to time. I guess there's always the Aygo for those that don't like it.....
And for 30k the enthusiast can get a ford focus RS, an enthusiasts car without doubt, or a year old boxster, or.... the list goes on.
Think about it another way. The clio 200 for less than 20k and real links to an F1 team or this rather spurious attempt at badge engineering for 30K plus.
Mikeyboy said:
donz29 said:
mitch_ said:
ivantate said:
Wonder if it is an introduction for the multiair engine, or really just a runout model for the old version.
Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
No it isn't a Dualogic, having had the privilege of a go in one at Balocco I can only say the gearbox is a dream and exceedingly aggressive.Also, I take it the paddleshift will be the duologic granny special gearbox, which on most cars seems to kill the 0-60.
Definately a halo model, probably a few upset people around with the previous 'Ferrari' 500 which was a really lame attempt at a premium special edition.
No problems with them making it or the people who buy them.
I find it saddening sometimes to read this forum as I wonder when all the enthusiasts left and when all the haters moved in. The world would be a sad place if it wasn't for car manufacturers pushing the envelope with mad little offerings like this from time to time. I guess there's always the Aygo for those that don't like it.....
And for 30k the enthusiast can get a ford focus RS, an enthusiasts car without doubt, or a year old boxster, or.... the list goes on.
Think about it another way. The clio 200 for less than 20k and real links to an F1 team or this rather spurious attempt at badge engineering for 30K plus.
I bet you have never driven a 500 Abarth, let alone a tuned one. (Apart from on the internet of course).
Yet again, the cost of the car is relative.
ukwill said:
I bet you have never driven a 500 Abarth, let alone a tuned one. (Apart from on the internet of course).
Yet again, the cost of the car is relative.
A review prevents unnescessary wasting of time trying something that you know will not suit you. One review may not be a good way of doing so but several may be. And when I'm spending 17.5k or more what better place to start.
to me and it is my opinion of course, the enthusiasts car is a car where the set up is not an attempt to deliver "sporty" through a compromised chassis by stiffening up some things, lightening others and pumping more power through the wheels an enthusiast's car is one where the balance of all those things has been put together with thought for how it will best deliver fun and a challenge to the driver while being exploitable enough to deliver real speed from point to point.
So I can gather from reviews that the 500 Abarth is a car that doesn't suit me or my driving style because from what I have read the suspension is rock hard, the steering too light and the traction control too agressive. I like my cars to be pliant on bumps yet stable through bends, have some element of weight to the steering and have only just enough ESP to stop me going into a barrier at 120 on the 'ring when I get it wrong (which I do, a bit).
And from reviews I can gather that there are better less compromised and cars better suited to enthusiasts out there for the same or less money.
Now I like the 500, don't get me wrong but its not an enthusiast's car its just a pretty hot hatch. And at 30k its a ludicrously expensive hot hatch.
Mikeyboy said:
ukwill said:
I bet you have never driven a 500 Abarth, let alone a tuned one. (Apart from on the internet of course).
Yet again, the cost of the car is relative.
A review prevents unnescessary wasting of time trying something that you know will not suit you. One review may not be a good way of doing so but several may be. And when I'm spending 17.5k or more what better place to start.
to me and it is my opinion of course, the enthusiasts car is a car where the set up is not an attempt to deliver "sporty" through a compromised chassis by stiffening up some things, lightening others and pumping more power through the wheels an enthusiast's car is one where the balance of all those things has been put together with thought for how it will best deliver fun and a challenge to the driver while being exploitable enough to deliver real speed from point to point.
So I can gather from reviews that the 500 Abarth is a car that doesn't suit me or my driving style because from what I have read the suspension is rock hard, the steering too light and the traction control too agressive. I like my cars to be pliant on bumps yet stable through bends, have some element of weight to the steering and have only just enough ESP to stop me going into a barrier at 120 on the 'ring when I get it wrong (which I do, a bit).
And from reviews I can gather that there are better less compromised and cars better suited to enthusiasts out there for the same or less money.
Now I like the 500, don't get me wrong but its not an enthusiast's car its just a pretty hot hatch. And at 30k its a ludicrously expensive hot hatch.
Hmm, I sense a Good Will Hunting moment.
Hellbound said:
FishFace said:
Next they'll build an indoor theme park in the tat capitol of the world.
Sorry? Abu Dhabi is now the 'tat capitol of the world'? That's news to me.There's actually more tat to be found in a square inch of some parts of the UK, if you'd bothered to open your eyes.
It's the most souless, ostentatious, vulgar, classless and most importantly tasteless display of wealth on earth. There's only time for the superficial and the immediate. The place cares not for heritage and history of a brand; merely how well it shows it off and how expensive it can be doing so, thus cheapening the brand.
Yes, I have been, too. And I'm not unique in my opinion - go and dig out the topic on the 'Ferrari theme park' on here.
ukwill said:
Mikeyboy said:
ukwill said:
I bet you have never driven a 500 Abarth, let alone a tuned one. (Apart from on the internet of course).
Yet again, the cost of the car is relative.
A review prevents unnescessary wasting of time trying something that you know will not suit you. One review may not be a good way of doing so but several may be. And when I'm spending 17.5k or more what better place to start.
to me and it is my opinion of course, the enthusiasts car is a car where the set up is not an attempt to deliver "sporty" through a compromised chassis by stiffening up some things, lightening others and pumping more power through the wheels an enthusiast's car is one where the balance of all those things has been put together with thought for how it will best deliver fun and a challenge to the driver while being exploitable enough to deliver real speed from point to point.
So I can gather from reviews that the 500 Abarth is a car that doesn't suit me or my driving style because from what I have read the suspension is rock hard, the steering too light and the traction control too agressive. I like my cars to be pliant on bumps yet stable through bends, have some element of weight to the steering and have only just enough ESP to stop me going into a barrier at 120 on the 'ring when I get it wrong (which I do, a bit).
And from reviews I can gather that there are better less compromised and cars better suited to enthusiasts out there for the same or less money.
Now I like the 500, don't get me wrong but its not an enthusiast's car its just a pretty hot hatch. And at 30k its a ludicrously expensive hot hatch.
Hmm, I sense a Good Will Hunting moment.
E.g.
I can tell that arsenic is probably going to be pretty bad for me by reading a medical text book, I don't have to swallow some to find out..
What an extraodinarily assinine comment you have made.
"Visually, there are plenty of cues to link the Tributo Ferrari to its more glamourous cousins including quad tailpipes, red-only paintwork, carbon mirrors, and 17-inch alloys"
If you really wanted one, don't.
By a red one put on some quad tailpipes, carbon mirrors and 17" alloys. In fact don't do that either.
If you really wanted one, don't.
By a red one put on some quad tailpipes, carbon mirrors and 17" alloys. In fact don't do that either.
Mikeyboy said:
ukwill said:
Mikeyboy said:
ukwill said:
I bet you have never driven a 500 Abarth, let alone a tuned one. (Apart from on the internet of course).
Yet again, the cost of the car is relative.
A review prevents unnescessary wasting of time trying something that you know will not suit you. One review may not be a good way of doing so but several may be. And when I'm spending 17.5k or more what better place to start.
to me and it is my opinion of course, the enthusiasts car is a car where the set up is not an attempt to deliver "sporty" through a compromised chassis by stiffening up some things, lightening others and pumping more power through the wheels an enthusiast's car is one where the balance of all those things has been put together with thought for how it will best deliver fun and a challenge to the driver while being exploitable enough to deliver real speed from point to point.
So I can gather from reviews that the 500 Abarth is a car that doesn't suit me or my driving style because from what I have read the suspension is rock hard, the steering too light and the traction control too agressive. I like my cars to be pliant on bumps yet stable through bends, have some element of weight to the steering and have only just enough ESP to stop me going into a barrier at 120 on the 'ring when I get it wrong (which I do, a bit).
And from reviews I can gather that there are better less compromised and cars better suited to enthusiasts out there for the same or less money.
Now I like the 500, don't get me wrong but its not an enthusiast's car its just a pretty hot hatch. And at 30k its a ludicrously expensive hot hatch.
Hmm, I sense a Good Will Hunting moment.
E.g.
I can tell that arsenic is probably going to be pretty bad for me by reading a medical text book, I don't have to swallow some to find out..
What an extraodinarily assinine comment you have made.
WTF?
Do I really have to explain that car reviews are, on the whole, subjective? There are good and bad reviews out there for most things, if you look hard enough. It's not a binary thing. You ingest arsenic and you are guaranteed to be poisoned. You drive a car that someone else didn't like, and you are not necessarily guaranteed to share their opinion.
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