RE: SOTW: Peugeot 306 GTi-6

[johnpeat]

Dear God I mention that the driving position in the 306 sucks and someone brings up the ZX!!!!

I once drove one of those from Lancashire to Newcastle (via the bikers paradise which is the Hardside Pass) and ended up just leaving it in 3rd because changing gear required me to contort my right leg in a way which went beyond painful after about 60 mins

It drove well - very well considering the abusive approach I was forced to take - but what shape the designers of these cars thought people were I've no idea

[collateral]

NoelWatson said:

collateral said:

They aren't allowed to make 'regular' cars as enjoyable as a 306 these days.

In theory they should be able to make them even more so - switchable ESP.

Possibly, although I get the impression that anyone who made a shopping car which let you come off a roundabout on opposite lock just by lifting your right foot would be slated

[collateral]

EDLT said:

collateral said:

iirc the 6th on a GTI is the same as the XSI 5th.

Thats crazy, my XSi feels like it needs an extra gear at "motorway speeds". I always thought the GTI-6 would have had a cruising gear like all modern 6-speeds.

iirc my 205 was geared for 18 mph / 1000 rpm in top - motorway migraine!

[VXDunc]

timgti38 said:

nelly_h said:

Great fun cars and an excellent shed in principle, but "Both exterior and interior and good condition for age" doesn't sit too well with that massive crease in the back right quarter

I actually own that 306 and i can assure you there is no dent in the rear quarter but only a reflection of the lampost thats next to it. Its actually very tidy for its age and in 2008 it had only done 80,000 miles so most of its wear has been in the last 2 years.

I used to own your car I had it between 2000 and 2004

Didn't have any problems with it at all.

[Old Gregg]

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

[ATM]

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

[BazT]

They're good, but not as good as 205 GTi's IMO.

TRUENOSAM said:

havoc said:

TRUENOSAM said:

MI16x4

Tell us more?

Yep a very rare 405Mi16 with permenant 4WD. Was made to comply with fia regulations apparently. Was the 1.9 block on a 1990 H plate. Not that much different from the standard car apart from the 4WD system and Hydralic lift rear suspension that was controlled by a switch on the centre console. Unfortunatley I had to sell it for spares as the clutch went and it was near impossible to find a replacement

Only 298 saloons and 2 estates made so I was told

Hydropneumatic, not hydraulic, & the switch was in the boot, not on the centre console. I've owned a couple of them, and apart from weak transfer boxes, they're great cars.

[BazT]

ATM said:

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

ABS yes, and very early cars (Pre-Aug '92) didn't have Cat's so weren't subject to a Cat test, but given they were made from '92 i should think they're pretty hard to come by, especially considering how rare they are now anyway!

[TRUENOSAM]

BazT said:

They're good, but not as good as 205 GTi's IMO.

TRUENOSAM said:

havoc said:

TRUENOSAM said:

MI16x4

Tell us more?

Yep a very rare 405Mi16 with permenant 4WD. Was made to comply with fia regulations apparently. Was the 1.9 block on a 1990 H plate. Not that much different from the standard car apart from the 4WD system and Hydralic lift rear suspension that was controlled by a switch on the centre console. Unfortunatley I had to sell it for spares as the clutch went and it was near impossible to find a replacement

Only 298 saloons and 2 estates made so I was told

Hydropneumatic, not hydraulic, & the switch was in the boot, not on the centre console. I've owned a couple of them, and apart from weak transfer boxes, they're great cars.

Yes your right. You must forgive me it was a few years ago

[PhillipM]

Certainly not many of them left now, quite rare cars.

I've got a nice cherry red one outside

[benjfrst]

BazT said:

ATM said:

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

ABS yes, and very early cars (Pre-Aug '92) didn't have Cat's so weren't subject to a Cat test, but given they were made from '92 i should think they're pretty hard to come by, especially considering how rare they are now anyway!

they all had cats, pre jan 1993 wont require a cat post 93 may require a cat to past the emission requirements. (cats not being the requirement its the emissions the car is required to meet,sometimes you can without a cat sometime you cant)

you wont get much of a gain from de catting them as a lot of the restriction is in the cast manifold ( the xuj10 mani used in the zx 16v is crap, the 1.9 mi16 engine had the eight branch and the later gti6 had the equal lenth four branch, the mi16 head is identical so you can fit the 8 branch manifold with a custom exhasut and sports cat you should see a 10bhp gain over the 155 with a free flowing airfilter, consider the zx 16v is already lighter than even the 306 rallye, then lighten the lighter, faster better handling zx which now has similar power.

try finding a decent one first tho of course.

[pSyCoSiS]

Quite a quirky car.

[BazT]

benjfrst said:

BazT said:

ATM said:

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

ABS yes, and very early cars (Pre-Aug '92) didn't have Cat's so weren't subject to a Cat test, but given they were made from '92 i should think they're pretty hard to come by, especially considering how rare they are now anyway!

they all had cats, pre jan 1993 wont require a cat post 93 may require a cat to past the emission requirements. (cats not being the requirement its the emissions the car is required to meet,sometimes you can without a cat sometime you cant)

you wont get much of a gain from de catting them as a lot of the restriction is in the cast manifold ( the xuj10 mani used in the zx 16v is crap, the 1.9 mi16 engine had the eight branch and the later gti6 had the equal lenth four branch, the mi16 head is identical so you can fit the 8 branch manifold with a custom exhasut and sports cat you should see a 10bhp gain over the 155 with a free flowing airfilter, consider the zx 16v is already lighter than even the 306 rallye, then lighten the lighter, faster better handling zx which now has similar power.

Well, my K-plate didn't have a Cat.

And the heads aren't identical, the stud pattern on the XU9j4 and XU10j4 heads is different, so you can't directly fit an Mi manifold to an S16/ZX16v engine i'm afraid.

I think 10bhp is a little optimistic too tbh!

[benjfrst]

BazT said:

benjfrst said:

BazT said:

ATM said:

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

ABS yes, and very early cars (Pre-Aug '92) didn't have Cat's so weren't subject to a Cat test, but given they were made from '92 i should think they're pretty hard to come by, especially considering how rare they are now anyway!

they all had cats, pre jan 1993 wont require a cat post 93 may require a cat to past the emission requirements. (cats not being the requirement its the emissions the car is required to meet,sometimes you can without a cat sometime you cant)

you wont get much of a gain from de catting them as a lot of the restriction is in the cast manifold ( the xuj10 mani used in the zx 16v is crap, the 1.9 mi16 engine had the eight branch and the later gti6 had the equal lenth four branch, the mi16 head is identical so you can fit the 8 branch manifold with a custom exhasut and sports cat you should see a 10bhp gain over the 155 with a free flowing airfilter, consider the zx 16v is already lighter than even the 306 rallye, then lighten the lighter, faster better handling zx which now has similar power.

Well, my K-plate didn't have a Cat.

And the heads aren't identical, the stud pattern on the XU9j4 and XU10j4 heads is different, so you can't directly fit an Mi manifold to an S16/ZX16v engine i'm afraid.

I think 10bhp is a little optimistic too tbh!

It MUST have been de-catted because they ALL had a cat. the car was developed for 1993 cat requirements, i very much doubt they desgined a different exhaust sytem for the 92 sold 93 model year zx. Actually come to think of it i am convinced you are lying because i dont believe there was even 1 UK 1992 plated zx 16v. One of mine was a january 1993 ex press car, one of the first into the UK, Citroen only introduced thezx 16v at the paris motorshow in september 1992.

1.9 and 2.0 lite mi heads are identical although there are some very minor casting differences but they are interchangeable. The 2000cc has an additional cover plate over the 4 direct coils, which makes the cam cover look different. The 1905cc runs a distributor cap and arm, with traditional plug leads . The 2000cc exhaust cam runs an oil feed down the centre and out into a pump bolted to the head. You'll need to cap this with a bolt to stop it squirting oil when fitted to 1.9 mi set up, or swap the cam for one from the 1905cc. THE PORTS ARE IDENTICAL. the stud pattern is not

the 1.9 mi manifold, (8 branch) will fit directly over the 2.0 head, all the bottom holes line up, but the top ones dont, you will need to make a metal brace (flat metal bar) and drill the stud pattern of your 2.0 litre head. then place this bar over the top flange of the 8 branch manifold and clamp into head, hey presto! no drilling or modifying of either items.


I have had four citroen zx 16v's. 7 years ago I helped my brother convert his 205 gti 1.6 to 1.9mi16 and then after that engine blew we fitted a 2.0 mi16 engine, we swapped everything over from the 1.9 including the inlet and exhaust manifold.

10bhp optimistic? why do you think the 1.9 mi 16 with 100cc less made 5bhp MORE than the otherwise identical 2.0l block? it was the adition of the cat and cast manifold.

yes i know one is alloy with liners but this wont account for the extra bhp

Edited by benjfrst on Monday 9th August 23:35

[Mojocvh]

benjfrst said:

BazT said:

benjfrst said:

BazT said:

ATM said:

Old Gregg said:

ATM said:

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1923941.htm

I rather like that and would have it over a 306 - which admittedly is probably something to do with my parents owning Citroens in the 90s and me having a nostalgic recollection of English holiday trips in ZX's.

Do you get ABS in something like this and are they pre cat laws?

ABS yes, and very early cars (Pre-Aug '92) didn't have Cat's so weren't subject to a Cat test, but given they were made from '92 i should think they're pretty hard to come by, especially considering how rare they are now anyway!

they all had cats, pre jan 1993 wont require a cat post 93 may require a cat to past the emission requirements. (cats not being the requirement its the emissions the car is required to meet,sometimes you can without a cat sometime you cant)

you wont get much of a gain from de catting them as a lot of the restriction is in the cast manifold ( the xuj10 mani used in the zx 16v is crap, the 1.9 mi16 engine had the eight branch and the later gti6 had the equal lenth four branch, the mi16 head is identical so you can fit the 8 branch manifold with a custom exhasut and sports cat you should see a 10bhp gain over the 155 with a free flowing airfilter, consider the zx 16v is already lighter than even the 306 rallye, then lighten the lighter, faster better handling zx which now has similar power.

Well, my K-plate didn't have a Cat.

And the heads aren't identical, the stud pattern on the XU9j4 and XU10j4 heads is different, so you can't directly fit an Mi manifold to an S16/ZX16v engine i'm afraid.

I think 10bhp is a little optimistic too tbh!

It MUST have been de-catted because they ALL had a cat. the car was developed for 1993 cat requirements, i very much doubt they desgined a different exhaust sytem for the 92 sold 93 model year zx. Actually come to think of it i am convinced you are lying because i dont believe there was even 1 UK 1992 plated zx 16v. One of mine was a january 1993 ex press car, one of the first into the UK, Citroen only introduced thezx 16v at the paris motorshow in september 1992.

1.9 and 2.0 lite mi heads are identical although there are some very minor casting differences but they are interchangeable. The 2000cc has an additional cover plate over the 4 direct coils, which makes the cam cover look different. The 1905cc runs a distributor cap and arm, with traditional plug leads . The 2000cc exhaust cam runs an oil feed down the centre and out into a pump bolted to the head. You'll need to cap this with a bolt to stop it squirting oil when fitted to 1.9 mi set up, or swap the cam for one from the 1905cc. THE PORTS ARE IDENTICAL. the stud pattern is not

the 1.9 mi manifold, (8 branch) will fit directly over the 2.0 head, all the bottom holes line up, but the top ones dont, you will need to make a metal brace (flat metal bar) and drill the stud pattern of your 2.0 litre head. then place this bar over the top flange of the 8 branch manifold and clamp into head, hey presto! no drilling or modifying of either items.


I have had four citroen zx 16v's. 7 years ago I helped my brother convert his 205 gti 1.6 to 1.9mi16 and then after that engine blew we fitted a 2.0 mi16 engine, we swapped everything over from the 1.9 including the inlet and exhaust manifold.

10bhp optimistic? why do you think the 1.9 mi 16 with 100cc less made 5bhp MORE than the otherwise identical 2.0l block? it was the adition of the cat and cast manifold.

yes i know one is alloy with liners but this wont account for the extra bhp

Edited by benjfrst on Monday 9th August 23:35

"Actually come to think of it i am convinced you are lying"

see ya

[BazT]

Yes, because i have every reason in the world to lie...

K***EKL, a '92 red ZX16v.

Cat's were required from August '92, not 1993 as you say.

[benjfrst]

well ok, citroen introtuced thezx 16v at tha paris motorshow in september 1992 ccats were required like you say from august 92 so all zx 16vs were fitted with a cat.

[benjfrst]

BazT said:

Yes, because i have every reason in the world to lie...

K***EKL, a '92 red ZX16v.

Cat's were required from August '92, not 1993 as you say.

yes sorry that was out of order i re-read your orginal post and realised there was no malice like i original thought.

[BazT]

If that is the case then, iirc old registrations were August change-over, so then you'd be right and there could be no K-reg ones! But i'm fairly certain it was tbh, or it at least had K-plates on it! It must have been de-cat'd though, but the exhaust looked so standard i thought it didn't ever have one, and given the reg i never thought anything of it!

Although saying all this has reminded me that the car itself i bought from a dismantler's and the DVLA wouldn't re-issue the V5 for some reason, it wasn't damaged or anything but i was told it wasn't allowed to go back on the road, but not given a reason! So i had no choice but to break up for parts etc instead. I might have a (non-digital!) picture or 2 somewhere in fact! But we're going back to around 2001-02!

[benjfrst]

J reg was 91-92, K was 92-93, L was 93-94

im not sure of the cut off but two of my zx's were 93 K plate.

as early as 2001 you say, what a shame, i broke two up in about 2003.

Edited by benjfrst on Tuesday 10th August 19:30