Stupid things non petrolheads say....
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Enough, enough.doogz said:
The E30 325 had a 2.7 litre engine.
Only the 325E had the 2.7 litre long-stroke engine. Slower revving and less powerful than the 2.5 in the 325i.Alpina matched the 2.7 bottom end to the 2.5 top end (better flowing, large valves) to make their B27. Also a common conversion amongst enthusiasts.
busta said:
It fits in with the whole 'my car has a 1.8, so it's quicker than your 1.6' attitude all non petrolheads have though.
Having people question why I'd take a 20 year old Peugeot with 'just' a 1.6 on a trackday is amusing. "Nah, you should take my Golf. It's got a 1.9 TURBO diesel!"
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.Having people question why I'd take a 20 year old Peugeot with 'just' a 1.6 on a trackday is amusing. "Nah, you should take my Golf. It's got a 1.9 TURBO diesel!"
Rostfritt said:
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.
I visit combe regularly, and they are not currently using a 106 rallye. 2 guesses what they are using now
yellowjack said:
Even going back to the E23 7 Series, when most of the range had a model number which reflected the engine capacity, there were exceptions to the convention.
The 735 had a 3.4 litre (3428cc) M30B34 engine, and the 733i had a 3.2 litre (3210cc) M30B32 unit. The only reason I can think of for this is because BMW designed the car and engine first, to meet a brief, then they went to their 'naming convention' department to get a model number...
The M30B34 unit should have powered the "BMW 734" and the M30B32, if convention had been followed, ought to have been in the "BMW 732"
...and I reckon that management just decided that, as model numbers, they just didn't look, or sound, Dynamic enough, and didn't help to sell the car enough. It's psychology of numbers, nothing more. Some numbers, weird as it seems as a concept, are just more desirable to us at a subconscious level than others. It's along the same lines as why most shops deal in '99p' prices, despite the fact that 'round pounds' are more sensible, and easier for us to add up.
Try it...
Do you want a 732 or a 733 more? How about a 734 over a 735 ? It's less to do with what lies under the bonnet, and far more to to do with those three characters on the bootlid
Also E23 745i = 3.2/3.4 turbo nutter bThe 735 had a 3.4 litre (3428cc) M30B34 engine, and the 733i had a 3.2 litre (3210cc) M30B32 unit. The only reason I can think of for this is because BMW designed the car and engine first, to meet a brief, then they went to their 'naming convention' department to get a model number...
The M30B34 unit should have powered the "BMW 734" and the M30B32, if convention had been followed, ought to have been in the "BMW 732"
...and I reckon that management just decided that, as model numbers, they just didn't look, or sound, Dynamic enough, and didn't help to sell the car enough. It's psychology of numbers, nothing more. Some numbers, weird as it seems as a concept, are just more desirable to us at a subconscious level than others. It's along the same lines as why most shops deal in '99p' prices, despite the fact that 'round pounds' are more sensible, and easier for us to add up.
Try it...
Do you want a 732 or a 733 more? How about a 734 over a 735 ? It's less to do with what lies under the bonnet, and far more to to do with those three characters on the bootlid
d, or if you were a saffer you got a 3.5 twin cam nutter bd instead.Pebbles167 said:
Rostfritt said:
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.
I visit combe regularly, and they are not currently using a 106 rallye. 2 guesses what they are using now
Pebbles167 said:
Rostfritt said:
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.
I visit combe regularly, and they are not currently using a 106 rallye. 2 guesses what they are using now
xRIEx said:
Pebbles167 said:
Rostfritt said:
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.
I visit combe regularly, and they are not currently using a 106 rallye. 2 guesses what they are using now
For the size of the track, I'd rather a 106.
motorhole said:
doogz said:
The E30 325 had a 2.7 litre engine.
Only the 325E had the 2.7 litre long-stroke engine. Slower revving and less powerful than the 2.5 in the 325i.Alpina matched the 2.7 bottom end to the 2.5 top end (better flowing, large valves) to make their B27. Also a common conversion amongst enthusiasts.
The Alpina crank is much much stronger and will rev all day long above 6000.
Many enthusiasts have used ETA bottom ends in C27 type conversions but many have also had them let go.
Another problem is the ETA was a low compression engine, the comression stress' do not help either.
Richard Hearn at Fritz's Bits is the man to talk to about this, having litteraly picked up the peices of people doing this.
Pebbles167 said:
xRIEx said:
Pebbles167 said:
Rostfritt said:
I did a rally driving experience thing a few years back at Castle Coombe. They did it in a 106 Rallye as it was a smallish course that was good fun in a light basic but well balanced car. Anyone who I mentioned this to thought I was ripped off (it was a gift, given to a friend but for 2 so I was his plus 1) and it would have been better in a Subaru or Mitsubishi. It would have been like driving round a multistory in a Humvee in anything bigger.
I visit combe regularly, and they are not currently using a 106 rallye. 2 guesses what they are using now
For the size of the track, I'd rather a 106.
The Mrs shows me a post on a facebook caravan sales page.
" Can my VW two door tow a small caravan "
Forget for second that most are 3 or 5 door but hey.
(So we are both thinking does she mean VW up , fox , polo , golf , scirocco etc. Could even be a transporter by the askers logic. )
Someone asks what model
" I think its a polo "
What engine size.
" I'll ring my husband .............
1.2"
We did not bother asking if this was TDI or TSI, just NO don't do it.
Should some people even be driving knowing so little never mind thinking of the responsibility of safely and considerately towing a caravan!
" Can my VW two door tow a small caravan "
Forget for second that most are 3 or 5 door but hey.
(So we are both thinking does she mean VW up , fox , polo , golf , scirocco etc. Could even be a transporter by the askers logic. )
Someone asks what model
" I think its a polo "
What engine size.
" I'll ring my husband .............
1.2"
We did not bother asking if this was TDI or TSI, just NO don't do it.
Should some people even be driving knowing so little never mind thinking of the responsibility of safely and considerately towing a caravan!
I guess it's a marketing thing. Most people would rather pay to drive an Impreza than a 106, so thats what they have. In the same way some people would choose a Supercar experience day (where you can't go over 5000 rpm or get close to the limits of traction) over a Caterham drift day (where you never go below 5000rpm and or drive below the limits of traction).
Maybe I'll start a TDI experience day. I could talk about torque and economy, then let people loose in a Golf TDI with 500ml of fuel to see how far they can get.
Maybe I'll start a TDI experience day. I could talk about torque and economy, then let people loose in a Golf TDI with 500ml of fuel to see how far they can get.
nickofh said:
The Mrs shows me a post on a facebook caravan sales page.
" Can my VW two door tow a small caravan "
Forget for second that most are 3 or 5 door but hey.
(So we are both thinking does she mean VW up , fox , polo , golf , scirocco etc. Could even be a transporter by the askers logic. )
Someone asks what model
" I think its a polo "
What engine size.
" I'll ring my husband .............
1.2"
We did not bother asking if this was TDI or TSI, just NO don't do it.
Should some people even be driving knowing so little never mind thinking of the responsibility of safely and considerately towing a caravan!
Yet there's a massive market for micro/teardrop caravans that could be safely towed behind a 1.2 Polo...?" Can my VW two door tow a small caravan "
Forget for second that most are 3 or 5 door but hey.
(So we are both thinking does she mean VW up , fox , polo , golf , scirocco etc. Could even be a transporter by the askers logic. )
Someone asks what model
" I think its a polo "
What engine size.
" I'll ring my husband .............
1.2"
We did not bother asking if this was TDI or TSI, just NO don't do it.
Should some people even be driving knowing so little never mind thinking of the responsibility of safely and considerately towing a caravan!
busta said:
I guess it's a marketing thing. Most people would rather pay to drive an Impreza than a 106, so thats what they have. In the same way some people would choose a Supercar experience day (where you can't go over 5000 rpm or get close to the limits of traction) over a Caterham drift day (where you never go below 5000rpm and or drive below the limits of traction).
Maybe I'll start a TDI experience day. I could talk about torque and economy, then let people loose in a Golf TDI with 500ml of fuel to see how far they can get.
It sounds like hell.Maybe I'll start a TDI experience day. I could talk about torque and economy, then let people loose in a Golf TDI with 500ml of fuel to see how far they can get.
'You'll get used to 1000rpm of useful torque eventually, but for a good 7 minutes, the sheer grunt of this 2 litre turbo diesel will blow your mind'
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