Stupid things non petrolheads say....

Stupid things non petrolheads say....

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aka_kerrly

12,416 posts

209 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Super Slo Mo said:
Pan Pan said:
The problem possibly lies in the fact that in general girls don't play with toy cars of all types, including Radio control types in their formative years. This is something that most boys do automatically
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
That makes a lot of sense.


Matt100HP

250 posts

115 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
I guess a more modern take on this is that boys are more likely to have played car based video games than girls (a massive generalisation I know, but that's what I found out through personal experience growing up with such games).

Although lots of games have awful, unrealistic physics, the basics of how to make a car go in the direction you want it to, even in reverse, are still similar to the real world.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

232 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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driving video games have only been around since like mid 80s? and that was purely linear 'go forwards' track games

reversing and driving around streets was late 90s

Matt100HP

250 posts

115 months

Wednesday 13th August 2014
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Hugo a Gogo said:
driving video games have only been around since like mid 80s? and that was purely linear 'go forwards' track games

reversing and driving around streets was late 90s
Hence a more modern take. If you're currently in your 20's, you grew up with "proper" video games (I know, I am).

Bibbs

3,733 posts

209 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

232 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Matt100HP said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
driving video games have only been around since like mid 80s? and that was purely linear 'go forwards' track games

reversing and driving around streets was late 90s
Hence a more modern take. If you're currently in your 20's, you grew up with "proper" video games (I know, I am).
right, so none of us before that can drive? wink

StuntmanMike

11,671 posts

150 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Hugo a Gogo said:
Matt100HP said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
driving video games have only been around since like mid 80s? and that was purely linear 'go forwards' track games

reversing and driving around streets was late 90s
Hence a more modern take. If you're currently in your 20's, you grew up with "proper" video games (I know, I am).
right, so none of us before that can drive? wink
Apparently not, what about all these girls you see driving artics these days, all thanks to the play station I expect.rofl

AstonZagato

12,652 posts

209 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Matt100HP said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
I guess a more modern take on this is that boys are more likely to have played car based video games than girls (a massive generalisation I know, but that's what I found out through personal experience growing up with such games).

Although lots of games have awful, unrealistic physics, the basics of how to make a car go in the direction you want it to, even in reverse, are still similar to the real world.
I have no problems reversing my cars - I reverse park or parallel park all the time. Range Rover into a tiny gap? No problem. I even easily mastered the J turn on a skidpan.

But...

I can't reverse things when playing a video game like GTA. I'm not sure why.

WilliamWoollard

2,339 posts

192 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Hugo a Gogo said:
driving video games have only been around since like mid 80s? and that was purely linear 'go forwards' track games

reversing and driving around streets was late 90s
Turbo Esprit was released for the Spectrum way back in 1986, they've been around for a long time!

Pan Pan

1,116 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Bibbs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile

marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Pan Pan said:
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile
Different evolutionary path leading to differences in spatial awareness and perception priorities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/article...

(i.e. men have evolved to notice changes in immediate surroundings and to navigate whilst hunting, so need to be able to predict what cannot be seen based on what can be seen, whereas women have evolved to protect young in the immediate vicinity of the home, so need to notice changes in the familiar surroundings. Hence men don't notice new hairstyles, changes of clothing etc. as quickly as women. And I'm sticking to that story, she's starting to believe it.)

HereBeMonsters

14,180 posts

181 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Pan Pan said:
Bibbs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile
When have you ever reversed a push bike to fit it into a parking space?

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Pan Pan said:
Bibbs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile
Reversing isn't a major aspect of riding a bike; maybe more so in BMX/trials freestyle and similar disciplines, but not your everyday riding round a block or going to the shops and back.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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marshalla said:
Different evolutionary path leading to differences in spatial awareness and perception priorities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/article...

(i.e. men have evolved to notice changes in immediate surroundings and to navigate whilst hunting, so need to be able to predict what cannot be seen based on what can be seen, whereas women have evolved to protect young in the immediate vicinity of the home, so need to notice changes in the familiar surroundings. Hence men don't notice new hairstyles, changes of clothing etc. as quickly as women. And I'm sticking to that story, she's starting to believe it.)
I like it.

scarble

5,277 posts

156 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Mr2Mike said:
You don't actually need to monitor vehicle speed separately at all, everything can be done from the accelerometer (the integral of acceleration is velocity).
My first thought reading this was that you must be a physicist. Software engineer scratchchin yea, makes sense tongue out
Can phone accelerometers really give an accurate 0-60 measurement, have you ever tried playing an accelerometer game? They're bloody awful, especially if you're phone is vertical (or slightly un-horizontal), like on a dash mount. Pitching of the car will screw with it a bit too I guess.


ETA: on the girls and reversing note, this little girl parallel parks her bicycle
HereBeMonsters said:
When have you ever reversed a push bike to fit it into a parking space?
But being a girl she doesn't reverse in.

Edited by scarble on Thursday 14th August 10:50

RizzoTheRat

25,085 posts

191 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Bibbs said:
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
You'd be amazed how many cyclists and motorcyclists of both genders can't grasp the concept of counter steering either, yet the fact they manage to go around corners means they're doing it.

HereBeMonsters said:
When have you ever reversed a push bike to fit it into a parking space?
Pretty much every time I ride it as I put in the shed backwards.

X5TUU

11,908 posts

186 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I have to admit, counter steering on a motorboat I used to have confused the heck out of me initially as it seemed so counter intuitive, but was actually more logical and natural once going

Pan Pan

1,116 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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HereBeMonsters said:
Pan Pan said:
Bibbs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile
When have you ever reversed a push bike to fit it into a parking space?
Are you saying you never moved, or had to move a bike backwards, when you were kid?

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

197 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Pan Pan said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Pan Pan said:
Bibbs said:
Super Slo Mo said:
Also, are boys more likely to have pedal cars/carts?
Most of my peers had some kind of ride on vehicle as children in the 70's/80's; I have no idea if kids these days have them, but those toys will give the child an understanding of how the wheels affect the car's direction of travel.
Not even a toy car .. how about riding a push bike?
Good point, Most girls and boys would have had bikes which would teach the same lesson..... so why do girls `seem' to have more of a problem with this???smile
When have you ever reversed a push bike to fit it into a parking space?
Are you saying you never moved, or had to move a bike backwards, when you were kid?
The only thing with a bike of any kind, is that the movement of the handlebars is exactly the same as the front wheel, whereas the steering wheel on a car, go cart or pedal cart rotates while the steered wheels (front, we're assuming) move left - right. That might be the reason why some people find it difficult to relate it to a car.

I reckon boys are more likely to have toys that have steering mechanisms that have a steering wheel and steered wheels that go left-right in direct correlation to the movement of the steering wheel; even some of the more advanced Lego kits have rack and pinion steering, so they grow up having a more 'intuitive' understanding of what's happening to the car when the steering wheel is turned.


marshalla

15,902 posts

200 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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I'm pretty sure that this belongs in this thread.

AngryPartsBloke said:
jhfozzy said:
How much does it pull to the left?

All of my cars (seven and counting) have pulled gently to the left when the steering wheel is released.

I assumed this was a safety feature which tried to prevent the car drifting into oncoming traffic if the driver became unwell or couldn't steer.
My Bora pulls slightly to the left, even with the tracking done and the steeringwheel dead on centre. Never ntoiced it until a few weeks ago.
rolleyes
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