Stupid things non petrolheads say....

Stupid things non petrolheads say....

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PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

218 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Jabosoc said:
Agreed, I have an eleven year old 32" CRT television (it was quite an expensive one at the time) in my living room and the picture when watching normal television shows is superior to all of the fancy modern ones I've seen.

The biggest downside is the lack of HDMI, so I can't use my Xbox One through it.
I tend to find for watching non HD TV channels the old CRT TV's are the best thing to use. The only problem is when you get a modern TV and start watching stuff on the free HD channels you start to loath watching non HD stuff unless its something you are really into.

MartG

20,680 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Phunk said:
MartG said:
scarble said:
Sorry fella but I have to disagree.

Power stations are more likely to run at constant and/or their most efficient speed compared to an ICE and emissions for an EV charged on current UK electricity are on a par with a very good diesel (90g/km) but power stations are more likely to have good particulate traps and SCR for NOx. Saying that they do in some cases burn the dirtier fuels (coal/crude) but at least the emissions are centralised in less populated areas so the health impact is lower.
You're forgetting transmission losses getting the electricity from the power station to the consumer, as well as the losses in charging batteries - overall electric cars are less efficient in terms of power delivered to the wheels compared to the energy in the fuel burned
You're also forgetting that fuel doesn't get itself to a petrol station by magic.
Nor does it get to a power station by magic wink

Mr E

21,618 posts

259 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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walm said:
Jabosoc said:
The biggest downside is the lack of HDMI, so I can't use my Xbox One through it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neewer-HDMI-Component-Adap...
  • Analogue* HDMI to component. And no sound.
I suspect this won't work with an xbox one.

LimaDelta

6,522 posts

218 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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MartG said:
Phunk said:
MartG said:
scarble said:
Sorry fella but I have to disagree.

Power stations are more likely to run at constant and/or their most efficient speed compared to an ICE and emissions for an EV charged on current UK electricity are on a par with a very good diesel (90g/km) but power stations are more likely to have good particulate traps and SCR for NOx. Saying that they do in some cases burn the dirtier fuels (coal/crude) but at least the emissions are centralised in less populated areas so the health impact is lower.
You're forgetting transmission losses getting the electricity from the power station to the consumer, as well as the losses in charging batteries - overall electric cars are less efficient in terms of power delivered to the wheels compared to the energy in the fuel burned
You're also forgetting that fuel doesn't get itself to a petrol station by magic.
Nor does it get to a power station by magic wink
Fortunately you don't need to remember any of that, as free market capitalism does all the hard work for you (or at least, it should) by supplying you an easy comparison in - you guessed it - the price of energy!

Cost per mile of EV? Cost per mile of ICE? Someone has done all the maths already.

SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

163 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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MartG said:
Phunk said:
MartG said:
scarble said:
Sorry fella but I have to disagree.

Power stations are more likely to run at constant and/or their most efficient speed compared to an ICE and emissions for an EV charged on current UK electricity are on a par with a very good diesel (90g/km) but power stations are more likely to have good particulate traps and SCR for NOx. Saying that they do in some cases burn the dirtier fuels (coal/crude) but at least the emissions are centralised in less populated areas so the health impact is lower.
You're forgetting transmission losses getting the electricity from the power station to the consumer, as well as the losses in charging batteries - overall electric cars are less efficient in terms of power delivered to the wheels compared to the energy in the fuel burned
You're also forgetting that fuel doesn't get itself to a petrol station by magic.
Nor does it get to a power station by magic wink
No, but coal trains and gas pipes are much more efficient than petrol tankers.

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Mr E said:
Analogue HDMI to component. And no sound.

I suspect this won't work with an xbox one.
Ah... good point.
What about a digital to analogue converter...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/eSynic%C2%AE-Digital-Compo...

AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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Rostfritt said:
I have one 'new' car and one 'old' car. The 'new' one is now 22 years old which apparently can't be counted as new any more.
The newer of my cars is 22 this year, but it's only done 195,000 miles, so it is barely run in.

aka_kerrly

12,419 posts

210 months

Wednesday 10th December 2014
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AW111 said:
The newer of my cars is 22 this year, but it's only done 195,000 miles, so it is barely run in.
Similar here, my youngest car is 20 years old and has 199,000 miles, my oldest is 32 years old and has the lowest mileage at 60k.





Utterpiffle

831 posts

180 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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aka_kerrly said:
AW111 said:
The newer of my cars is 22 this year, but it's only done 195,000 miles, so it is barely run in.
Similar here, my youngest car is 20 years old and has 199,000 miles, my oldest is 32 years old and has the lowest mileage at 60k.
The geek in me loves statistics like this.
10 years ago I had an '83 w123 merc coupe that I sold with 334,000 miles on its original engine. The car still shows as taxed now.

My youngest car currently (daily) is only 16 years old with 106,000 miles, so I can't compete with the figures above.
I love it because it looks to the general public like it will fall apart any second, but is mechanically fantastic. Work colleagues in their modern econoboxes just don't understand it.
However, it owes me just over 2 grand, has 7 seats and 350bhp. Best car I ever owned

Pan Pan

1,116 posts

127 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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MartG said:
Phunk said:
MartG said:
scarble said:
Sorry fella but I have to disagree.

Power stations are more likely to run at constant and/or their most efficient speed compared to an ICE and emissions for an EV charged on current UK electricity are on a par with a very good diesel (90g/km) but power stations are more likely to have good particulate traps and SCR for NOx. Saying that they do in some cases burn the dirtier fuels (coal/crude) but at least the emissions are centralised in less populated areas so the health impact is lower.
You're forgetting transmission losses getting the electricity from the power station to the consumer, as well as the losses in charging batteries - overall electric cars are less efficient in terms of power delivered to the wheels compared to the energy in the fuel burned
You're also forgetting that fuel doesn't get itself to a petrol station by magic.
Nor does it get to a power station by magic wink
Electricity is currently the least efficient fuels in terms of CO2 emissions. Whilst 100% efficient at point of use, its current generation, and transmission methods, mean that in thermal calculations it is the `worst case' option. and has the worst case fuel emissions factor, when applied to energy efficiency calculations in buildings. (electric cars are likely to take their re charge from the buildings its owner uses)
The only way to go is nuclear, if emissions from electricity generation are deemed to be an important factor.
As yet, there are no renewable methods of generation that would get anywhere near producing the bulk electricity supplies the UK needs.

MartG

20,680 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Pan Pan said:

The only way to go is nuclear, ....
Agreed - nuclear to generate all electricity currently provided by fossil fuels - keep the oil for running our cars ! biggrin

DannyScene

6,628 posts

155 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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lufbramatt said:
Cleaned the car this morning, thought I'd spend a bit longer on it than normal and give it a coat of wax ready for winter.

"you can do mine when you're finished mate"

Had that about 5 times from neighbours, dog people and the postman. One bloke even stopped his car and wound his window down to say it. FFS at least think of something original to say.

Back out here in a sec for round 2, wonder how many more times I'll get it...
fking hell it's only people being pleasant and having a laugh you grumpy bugger!!

Plus I'm struggling to work out why that comment would make anyone a non petrol head :s

98elise

26,617 posts

161 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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MartG said:
Phunk said:
MartG said:
scarble said:
Sorry fella but I have to disagree.

Power stations are more likely to run at constant and/or their most efficient speed compared to an ICE and emissions for an EV charged on current UK electricity are on a par with a very good diesel (90g/km) but power stations are more likely to have good particulate traps and SCR for NOx. Saying that they do in some cases burn the dirtier fuels (coal/crude) but at least the emissions are centralised in less populated areas so the health impact is lower.
You're forgetting transmission losses getting the electricity from the power station to the consumer, as well as the losses in charging batteries - overall electric cars are less efficient in terms of power delivered to the wheels compared to the energy in the fuel burned
You're also forgetting that fuel doesn't get itself to a petrol station by magic.
Nor does it get to a power station by magic wink
Well to wheel EV's are far more efficient. It takes about 7kWh of electrical energy to produces a gallon of petrol. Enough to move an EV about 25 miles.

Also when you start to look at very powerful cars, EV's become even better. The latest Tesla Model S is 700bhp, but in like for like driving is more efficient than the 400bhp Model S.

Obviously EV's also don't need to burn fossil fuels. Tesla's supercharge stations use renewables, and are net contributors to the grid. With solar at home you could use no fossil fuels to run an EV.


Edited by 98elise on Thursday 11th December 09:44

Pan Pan

1,116 posts

127 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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MartG said:
Pan Pan said:

The only way to go is nuclear, ....
Agreed - nuclear to generate all electricity currently provided by fossil fuels - keep the oil for running our cars ! biggrin
Hi MartG - absolutely nail - head - hit. I like the way we are thinking! smile

98elise

26,617 posts

161 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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Pan Pan said:
MartG said:
Pan Pan said:

The only way to go is nuclear, ....
Agreed - nuclear to generate all electricity currently provided by fossil fuels - keep the oil for running our cars ! biggrin
Hi MartG - absolutely nail - head - hit. I like the way we are thinking! smile
I think the growth of EV's for the non enthusiast driver, will see a reduction in fossil fuel prices. When EV's are mainstream then tax will need to move to road pricing not fuel duty. They may dress it up as a green tax, but if we all moved to green alternatives, then the tax need to shift with it.

Pan Pan

1,116 posts

127 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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98elise said:
Pan Pan said:
MartG said:
Pan Pan said:

The only way to go is nuclear, ....
Agreed - nuclear to generate all electricity currently provided by fossil fuels - keep the oil for running our cars ! biggrin
Hi MartG - absolutely nail - head - hit. I like the way we are thinking! smile
I think the growth of EV's for the non enthusiast driver, will see a reduction in fossil fuel prices. When EV's are mainstream then tax will need to move to road pricing not fuel duty. They may dress it up as a green tax, but if we all moved to green alternatives, then the tax need to shift with it.
As the song goes, if you want to walk, they`ll tax your feet, if you want to sit, they`ll tax your seat. One way or another, they will find a way of extracting cash from the population.
I was always amused by the anti car brigade trying to get vehicles off the roads. If such a thing happened, they would probably impose a breathing tax, to compensate for what they would no longer be getting from the motoring public. The tax for using a bike would be doubled, as people would be assumed to be breathing harder, when riding a bike.smile

1Addicted

693 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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The narrator of Police Interceptors on Channel 5:

..."the Police Interceptors, with their fleet of high powered BMW's..."

Said about their fleet of 320d's.

ORD

18,120 posts

127 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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1Addicted said:
The narrator of Police Interceptors on Channel 5:

..."the Police Interceptors, with their fleet of high powered BMW's..."

Said about their fleet of 320d's.
180+bhp is powerful compared to the majority of cars on the road.

1Addicted

693 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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ORD said:
180+bhp is powerful compared to the majority of cars on the road.
It's not high powered though, is it? It's just a mundane estate car.

joe1145

198 posts

121 months

Thursday 11th December 2014
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1Addicted said:
The narrator of Police Interceptors on Channel 5:

..."the Police Interceptors, with their fleet of high powered BMW's..."

Said about their fleet of 320d's.
It annoys me that the narrator calls the Audi A4 they have an Audi Quattro, as its not, its an A4 quattro.
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