Stupid things non petrolheads say....

[xRIEx]

blueg33 said:

Back on topic

My next door neighbour has one of those horrible Peugeot 306 covertibles

last weekedn she said

I dont like my car, it doesnt drive very nicely and the boot is too small, I think I might change it

foolishly, I asked if she had test driven it and what she might change it for

The answer

I never test drive cars its a waste of time. I think I'll probably get another one the same

I swear people just say some stuff so they have a disagreement/opposing point of view.


A bit like what I do on the Internet.

[TheConverted]

Wow, my colleagues com out with a cracker.

'driving a 100mph on the motorway is dangerous what if you hit something!'

this is from a guy who's had no brake lights for 3 weeks as his local garage was able to do them on Saturdays. (offered to help) driving it daily all that time, i mean none not even the high level. he also drives way to close to the car in front, follow me out of work/followed him a few times.

Andy

[cianha]

Some people have a massive fear/mental block of test drives. Rational? No, but the thought of calling a car dealer to drive somebody else's car for a few minutes is about as appealing as a flaying. For most of the people in my family it's a massive stress trigger (I'm not too fond of it myself).

[ORD]

TheConverted said:

Wow, my colleagues com out with a cracker.

'driving a 100mph on the motorway is dangerous what if you hit something!'

this is from a guy who's had no brake lights for 3 weeks as his local garage was able to do them on Saturdays. (offered to help) driving it daily all that time, i mean none not even the high level. he also drives way to close to the car in front, follow me out of work/followed him a few times.

Andy

He meant "What if you hit some idiot driving with no brake lights?!"

[seb13]

"What MPG do you get on that"

Pointing to my brother's newly acquired de-restricted E39 M5.

[ORD]

seb13 said:

"What MPG do you get on that"

Pointing to my brother's newly acquired de-restricted E39 M5.

Unfortunately, the MPG obsession affects petrolheads, too. If you read Autocar, you would think that petrol and diesel each cost about £20 per litre, as every review (even of cars costing about £100k) bangs on about its fuel economy as though the difference between 25 and 30mpg makes a blind bit of difference to the total cost of motoring.

It is a bizarre obsession for anyone except a very high mileage driver. If you work out what you spend on fuel in a year, it's tiny compared to the overall cost of running a decent new car. Buying a less enjoyable car because it gets better MPG is insane if you are dropping £10k a year in depreciation.

[xRIEx]

ORD said:

It is a bizarre obsession for anyone except a very high mileage driver. If you work out what you spend on fuel in a year, it's tiny compared to the overall cost of running a decent new car. Buying a less enjoyable car because it gets better MPG is insane if you are dropping £10k a year in depreciation.

On a similar theme to this is the "I don't want to put lots of miles on my good car" mentality; I can understand it maybe if we're talking about something really not suited to purpose, e.g. a Caterfieldalike on a motorway, but if you're going to spend lots of time in a car you might as well make it a nice, enjoyable one rather than something soul-destroying.

[Pan Pan]

ORD said:

tomjol said:

Jabosoc said:

OT but one day someone is going to give me a reasonable explanation to me why higher earners pay a higher percentage of tax. Most who argue in favour of this system struggle to get their heads around the fact that higher earners are already paying more tax because 20% of a lot is more than 20% of a little.

Because they can more easily afford it.

Next!

Why not just take all the money from the top 10%? They are only 10%, after all so cannot really fight back.

The problem may be that the (very) rich have been this way for years if not centuries, so (A) . they do have a lot of money and (B) they know very well how to look after it. and hang onto it, thus it has always been, Many many years ago when undergoing teacher training, we were told in a session covering demographics, that 87% of the countries wealth, was held by just 13% of the population. The real problem for the majority are those at `both' ends of the financial spectrum. Those very rich who contribute relatively little to the country as a whole, but who take for themselves vast sums for doing very little. At the other end are those who don't, and in some cases have who have never contributed anything towards the well being of the country, unfortunately although taking relatively little individually, there are many more of these, than there are rich people. Also remember it is usually `rich' and not poor people, who start up business which employ others and allow `them' to make a living. As usual it is the poor saps in the middle, who do a fair days work for their money and pay their taxes. It is these people, that those at both the top, and bottom ends of the financial system, need to feed off and survive.

[Ej74]

At a wedding I hear the following "The new GTR is rubbish, not enough power, poor design etc etc the old one was much better car"

(we won't go into the merits of R34 vs. R35 GTR's)

Suffice to say I asked him what he based his opinion on had he driven one or even been in one. As it turned out he didn't even know how to drive.... doh

[blueg33]

xRIEx said:

ORD said:

It is a bizarre obsession for anyone except a very high mileage driver. If you work out what you spend on fuel in a year, it's tiny compared to the overall cost of running a decent new car. Buying a less enjoyable car because it gets better MPG is insane if you are dropping £10k a year in depreciation.

On a similar theme to this is the "I don't want to put lots of miles on my good car" mentality; I can understand it maybe if we're talking about something really not suited to purpose, e.g. a Caterfieldalike on a motorway, but if you're going to spend lots of time in a car you might as well make it a nice, enjoyable one rather than something soul-destroying.

Well not necessarily as depreciation can be a big hit that is accentuated by mileage. Selling a high mileage Ferrari is apparently not an easy exercise

[Scuffers]

retrorider said:

OneLittleFish said:

douglasb said:

There is a one word description for those people who stick their noses into other peoples' businesse and tell everyone else how to live - "Socialist".

Total aside to the thread but it amazes me how people misconstrue socialism. I vote socialist but it's because I think that the NHS and other public services shouldn't fall into private hands, that more affordable housing should be built and that the minimum wage should be a living wage.

Good luck with your socialist hopes, but please tell me how are we going to pay for it with a National debt of £1.5 trillion and rising ?

and let's not forget who started the whole PFI thing that's currently bankrupting the NHS

[xRIEx]

blueg33 said:

xRIEx said:

ORD said:

It is a bizarre obsession for anyone except a very high mileage driver. If you work out what you spend on fuel in a year, it's tiny compared to the overall cost of running a decent new car. Buying a less enjoyable car because it gets better MPG is insane if you are dropping £10k a year in depreciation.

On a similar theme to this is the "I don't want to put lots of miles on my good car" mentality; I can understand it maybe if we're talking about something really not suited to purpose, e.g. a Caterfieldalike on a motorway, but if you're going to spend lots of time in a car you might as well make it a nice, enjoyable one rather than something soul-destroying.

Well not necessarily as depreciation can be a big hit that is accentuated by mileage. Selling a high mileage Ferrari is apparently not an easy exercise

Yes necessarily: worrying about depreciation means either you pay money and drive, or you don't pay money and you don't drive (although you do pay because just owning a car will cause it to depreciate in most cases). If you don't pay and don't drive, why bother in the first place? If someone is happy spending 15,000 miles in a snotbox for the sake of sticking to 2000 miles in the good car, why not just do 17,000 miles in the snotbox?

Depreciation falls off over time (and use) - the biggest depreciation will be in the first mile, but from mile 4000 to 4001 it will be a much smaller effect, and from 10344 to 10345 it will be even lower.

In terms of the Ferrari, anything will sell if it's priced right - it just goes back to "pay and drive, or don't pay and don't drive".

[Zoobeef]

xRIEx said:

Yes necessarily: worrying about depreciation means either you pay money and drive, or you don't pay money and you don't drive (although you do pay because just owning a car will cause it to depreciate in most cases). If you don't pay and don't drive, why bother in the first place? If someone is happy spending 15,000 miles in a snotbox for the sake of sticking to 2000 miles in the good car, why not just do 17,000 miles in the snotbox?

Depreciation falls off over time (and use) - the biggest depreciation will be in the first mile, but from mile 4000 to 4001 it will be a much smaller effect, and from 10344 to 10345 it will be even lower.

In terms of the Ferrari, anything will sell if it's priced right - it just goes back to "pay and drive, or don't pay and don't drive".

So according to the world of you I should either do 17k miles in my Audi A4 or my Noble?

The Audi does the drive to work, the shopping, the towing and the Noble is the special weekend car. Having just the Audi is what everyone not on this site does. Having just the Noble is stupid. Which one are you?

[Dr Jekyll]

Pan Pan said:

The problem may be that the (very) rich have been this way for years if not centuries, so (A) . they do have a lot of money and (B) they know very well how to look after it. and hang onto it, thus it has always been, Many many years ago when undergoing teacher training, we were told in a session covering demographics, that 87% of the countries wealth, was held by just 13% of the population.

But they aren't always the same 13%.

Someone did a survey of the richest Americans. I can't remember the exact figures but the richest 1% were richer than the richest 1% of 20 years ago, even in relative terms. But when they tracked down surviving members of the richest 1% of 20 years ago, there were fewer of them still in the top 1% than the bottom 10%.

[K321]

someone at work recenyly told me that their uncle has a bespoke special order direct from ferrari a 2001 model yellow testarossa with gullwing doors
i am still waiting for a photo of it

[StuntmanMike]

ORD said:

seb13 said:

"What MPG do you get on that"

Pointing to my brother's newly acquired de-restricted E39 M5.

Unfortunately, the MPG obsession affects petrolheads, too. If you read Autocar, you would think that petrol and diesel each cost about £20 per litre, as every review (even of cars costing about £100k) bangs on about its fuel economy as though the difference between 25 and 30mpg makes a blind bit of difference to the total cost of motoring.

It is a bizarre obsession for anyone except a very high mileage driver. If you work out what you spend on fuel in a year, it's tiny compared to the overall cost of running a decent new car. Buying a less enjoyable car because it gets better MPG is insane if you are dropping £10k a year in depreciation.

This is the biggest single reason I never talk about cars with anyone.
A select few that I know but that's it, too many my diesel does this MPG as a conversation opener, I now just grunt an acknowledgement and move on.

[Timfy]

My other half:

"What does INSP mean?"

"Your cars due a service?"

"But it's just had an MOT, and it was serviced last year!"

Wouldn't mind, but I know I'll be stood at ground zero when the thing breaks down and she goes mental, trying to explain service intervals to her is a lost cause. I might get some oil and filters in to surprise her (plugs, coolant and brake fluid were done last year IIRC) but she really doesn't want to service it...

[StuntmanMike]

K321 said:

someone at work recenyly told me that their uncle has a bespoke special order direct from ferrari a 2001 model yellow testarossa with gullwing doors
i am still waiting for a photo of it

In fairness that's not a non petrolhead, that's just your standard lying prick, many petrolheads can be like this.
To be avoided.

[Flibble]

Jabosoc said:

OT but one day someone is going to give me a reasonable explanation to me why higher earners pay a higher percentage of tax. Most who argue in favour of this system struggle to get their heads around the fact that higher earners are already paying more tax because 20% of a lot is more than 20% of a little.

Basically because if you earn just above the cost of living you can't afford to pay much tax before you're on the breadline. Whereas if you take home a few mill then you can afford to pay more tax. The difference between earning say £1.2 mil a year and £1 mil a year in quality of living is small, but the difference between £12k and £10k is large.

[Dr Jekyll]

Flibble said:

Basically because if you earn just above the cost of living you can't afford to pay much tax before you're on the breadline. Whereas if you take home a few mill then you can afford to pay more tax. The difference between earning say £1.2 mil a year and £1 mil a year in quality of living is small, but the difference between £12k and £10k is large.

But the millionaire can also afford to pay more for bread and milk, yet is charged the same.